Monta Ellis might be the better comparison, but in any case it's far too early for any of that. Suffice to say that Bayless is a young, talented combo guard with ridiculous athleticism.
He has also attempted nearly 1,700 three-pointers the last three healthy seasons, which is 7-8 a game. The guy just shoots a lot. He's still more of a stop on a dime, jump-shot type player though. I bet many of his FTAs come off getting defenders into the air.
yes they are both combo guards that's about where the comparison has to stop. JB hasn't played nearly enough to make an informed opinion, then again on these boards informed opinions are few and far between. two weeks ago someone compared him to a cross between drexler and dWade, i'd say the Arenas comparison is far more likely. i love the term "combo guard", why don't we call it what it is, a SG in a PG's body
Because combo guards have better passing and ball-handling skills than pure shooting guards. Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton wouldn't be "combo guards" even if they were shorter.
reggie miller and rip hamilton are both 6'7" so they are not the size of most PG's. i'm sorry but i don't see anything that tells me bayless is a PG except his size and the general notion that PG's are smaller than SG's.
Please re-read what I said: Because combo guards have better passing and ball-handling skills than pure shooting guards. Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton wouldn't be "combo guards" even if they were shorter.
but then they probably wouldn't have been the same player and may have had to develop those skills. no they are long and lanky and had those skills. we can go round and round but flat out, imo, he's a SG in a PG body, he doesn't show the skills that most good PG's have.
Does Gilbert Arenas? And if not, would you want a similar type of player on this team along side Roy?
Developing passing and ball-handling skills aren't givens. And passing is valuable even at 6'5''-6'6'' and Miller and Hamilton never developed very good passing skills. Whether or not Bayless will ever be a good NBA point guard is a different issue. I doubt he'll ever be a true point guard at the NBA level. He's definitely a combo guard, IMO, which means that he doesn't have the ability to be a pure point guard but he has better passing and ball-handling skills than the average shooting guard. And he has the ability to defend point guards, which is the key to playing the position alongside a distributor like Roy who can't defend point guards.
I'll bet according to you neither does Mo Williams, Tony Parker, Jameer Nelson, Derek Fisher, Devin Harris and Gil Arenas (just to name a few); none of which fit the classic "pure point guard" mold, but all seem to be somewhat effective NBA players for their respective teams.
I don't think that the Arenas comparison is at all bad... it's just (as HCP and others have said) too early. Arenas is one of the "best case" scenarios for Bayless. Ed O.
If you're going to quote a word to emphasize while you mock a position, you should make sure that you spell the word correctly. Like, for example, "rationale". Ed O.
do you really think gilbert arenas could play next to roy? roy dominates the ball, especially in the fourth quarter, and the hibachi also needs the ball to be effective.
nic, i've never said he couldn't be an effective NBA'er, don't know where you're getting that. you seem to like to nit pick posts on here. he could be a good/great player as most of the guys you listed are. i've never said a PG has to never shoot the ball but they have to be able to create for their teammates as well. i have yet to see bayless do even an adaquate job of this. and i like the comparison to Gilbert, a little pre-mature, but i think they have the same type of game, just not sure how it fits on this team.
With Roy, he doesn't need to be a primary distributor. Being able to create for teammates a little would be quite useful, and he has shown that ability, IMO. Even in limited minutes, he's already shown and ability to drive and dish. That, alone, wouldn't be enough to be a pure point, but that's plenty of shot creation for others to play alongside Roy.
But it's one of those things where the reason Roy, Gilbert, or any other good player dominates the ball is in fact, for that very reason...that they are so good. When in crunch time, Toronto will opt to go to Chris Bosh. Lakers will go to Kobe. Cleveland will defer to LBJ. Miami to Wade. You can go on and on for most of the teams in the league. Most players don't "require" to dominate the ball to be effective, it's just that when the ball is in their hands they can be more effective because they have more opportunities to score, pass, etc. I think it's a mistake between causation and correlation. If Roy was on the same team as Chris Paul (like we say in the All-Star Game) who would dominate the ball, take the shots come crunch time. We have a clear #1 in Roy, at least as far as our roster is composed. If another player develops to become better, then maybe they will assume that role, though I find this unlikely. So, on a talent basis there is no reason players of this type can't play together. They can shoot, penetrate and pass reasonably well right? The issue is if ego's get in the way, where a player wants to be "The Guy". We've seen that sometimes workout (Joe Johnson) and other times not so much (Shawn Marion). Kobe and O'Neal would have more rings if they could have dropped the ego issue and played together rather than caring about "whose team it is". That's why the Whitsett "get all the talent strategy" didn't work....not because of the talent but because of the egos involved. So as long as nothing in that vein happens, I think you can have a ton of talented players, regardless if they're skillsets overlap, playing next to each other. Given the choice, wouldn't you want to field the best, most talented team available? I think so.
he's been one of my favorite guys to watch since I heard Lute raving about him as possibly his best player before the first Zona game. I had to check him out! Injuries have had him pulling up more and more and he does shoot a lot of jumpers, but the guy has been taking it to the hole with regularity throughout his career. STOMP
