Blazers threaten the rest of the NBA [merged]

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  1. PapaG

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    True, but as you stated, Ellis had a team suspension, and Miles faced an NBA suspension. Perhaps the rules are different depending on the type of suspension. Perhaps not. Who the heck knows at this point, because Stern seems to make decisions on a whim depending on which franchise is involved.
     
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    I'm not clear on what you mean, but if Miles is signed to a guaranteed contract for the rest of the season as opposed to a ten-day contract, I don't think you'd see any legal action from the Blazers.

    As for the 10 games, Cut Mobley was just "retired" due to a heart condition, yet I imagine he could still jog up and down the court once for 10 games on another team. Actually, short of being either comatose or dead, anybody could step on the court for 10 games regardless of their health.
     
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    The Blazers are lucky? The Blazers weren't the ones that deemed him unfit to play. If his knee wasn't that bad, the league shouldn't have said it was, and that playing may cause him to have to have a knee replacement down the line.

    You do know that he is still getting his money right? Its just not counting against portland's cap. And if you are talkin' about the Blazers having to pay Miles' veteran minimum because he can't get a gig... we'll take that.
     
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    Lots of info in this post from Blazersedge.com.

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/9/715182/darius-miles-situation-exp#11276911

    A nugget from the lengthy post...

     
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    These things seem very hard for other fans to understand for some reason. At least most of them.
     
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    Yep. Seems like a lot of people come here, undeducated on the issue, and run their mouth. Oh well...

    At the same time, if you think the Blazers said he was to messed up to ever play again on their own, and then released him and said he was medically retired just to get off the hook with his salary... and THEN sent this email threatening anyone who even thinks about picking him up... I can see where you would get upset.

    But as much as some people want to spin it that way, its simply not what is going on.
     
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    This whole situation sucks. I wish Miles would just enjoy his millions and spend it and his time with his wife and child. Forget about basketball! :)
     
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    The situations aren't at all similar.

    Miles's games played in the preseason have nothing to do with his suspension. They count against the number of games played regarding medical retirement because that's the way that the rule was written.

    Ellis was hurt during the preseason, so he could play not games. The rule about medical retirement has no applicability here.

    I guess I don't at all understand how Ellis has anything to do with this.

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    I think Portland was resigned to the fact that he was going to go back on the books (and planned accordingly), but once nba executives started gloating to national papers that Portland was going to intentionally get screwed they took off the gloves and said that isn't going to happen.

    A lot of Portland fans are okay with Darius going back on the books in a legitimate circumstance. We were even resigned to him going back on because teams wanted to take a bite out of the Blazers cap space. When the executives started getting ballsy then Portland got ballsy back with that email - yet there is very little outrage about the statements from anonymous executives saying Portland will get screwed over intentionally. To me this shows that to other fans this isn't about Darius Miles to them - it's about Portland getting less cap space to become better and now that Portland is fighting back they're like NO DAMNIT DOUCHEBAGS!
     
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    After reading some reasoned posts on other boards, it appears to me that the luxury tax/redistribution implications of Miles going back on the books this season is the stronger case for the team and the reason for this email. The fact that Memphis, a team so cash-strapped that it traded a pick away in order to waive Shaun Livingston and get some cash, is involved in this should (and it appears did) send off fire-alarms at One Center Court. Memphis obviously needs every dollar, and an extra $300k of Paul Allen's money will help pay staff salaries.

    I don't think it is about the cap space; I think it is about Paul Allen not wanting to hand over money to teams deliberating trying to cripple his asset. That is the definition of "bad faith" ethics.
     
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    Question. If the Blazers do choose to sue, couldn't the other owners have a vote to expel the Blazers owner from the league, forcing him to sell the team?
     
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    It reads like posturing for the unions to me. The rest of the owners I'm sure want to distance themselves from this. There is nothing to be gained by claiming that there are unwritten rules teams should live by when dealing with player contracts. And Gilbert's e-mail says we live by the collective bargaining agreement.... PERIOD. None of this ridiculous "fiduciary duty" stuff.
     
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    Between "perspective" (which is a typo) and "fiduciary duty" (which doesn't appear to be legally applicable)... I wonder if a lawyer even wrote this letter.

    If one did, I think that he or she should probably do a better job of reviewing it before it goes out. It's hella-sloppy.

    Ed O.
     
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    No, but they won't choose to sue. Again, a team could stand up and say "I did it to get Paul Allen's luxury tax payment" and there still would be nothing to sue over. It's empty sabre rattling.
     
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    And can one of the Blazers fans in opposition against this, why do the Blazers deserve to have Miles removed from their cap if he didn't suffer a career ending injury and that it was just a mis-diagnosis.

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    Regardless, the NBA has pitted itself against the Blazers. The Blazers made a very stupid move.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...YF?slug=aw-nbamiles010809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
     
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    Thank you! Yes, a lawyer wrote it, and a lawyer wrote Gilbert's response (which I assume was on behalf of the owners).

    It's funny, that is the kind of typo that a spell check won't catch....
     
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    Both are legally applicable and are the reason for the letter. And yes, "perspective" is the correct term in that instance.

    LMAO
     
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    I am literally laughing at posters who think they know more than Paul Allen's attorneys.

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/9/715182/darius-miles-situation-exp#11276911

     
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    You're kidding, right?

    "Perspective" is not the right word choice. It's is PROSPECTIVE. Looking forward. Hypothetically. Perspective has to do with point of view. The two sound similar but mean entirely different things.

    Defending the use of the word "perspective" is ridiculous. I hope you're kidding.

    As for fiduciary duty, that is a very specific legal term that is normally applied to trustees or business executives regarding their obligations to assets entrusted to them on behalf of others. While it's conceivable that a special NBA partnership that happens to be called a "joint venture" contractually obligates NBA franchises to fiduciary duties, I find it unlikely.

    Ed O.
     

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