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Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by MadeFromDust, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    This is true . . . and you know there is red flags about this situation when Miles himself is insisting he can play. He could have retired based on the report and been paid in full. Instead he wanted to keep playing.

    Truth is Blazers wanted him gone and away from the other players . . . they knew the risks . . . and I'm guessing they would do the same thing if they had the decision to do over.

    The email, I'm not so sure they would do again . . . really how could they think that was going to accomplish anything other than negative responses around the league.
     
  2. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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  3. Blazer4life

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    If Miles went back on the cap the ONLY fair thing to do is put him back in the property of the Portland trailblazers since he was our property prior to the ruling by the medical doctors. If they would've ruled he could play, then we would've had the chance to:

    A) Play him

    B) Sit him

    C) Reach a buyout with him

    D) Out right cut him

    When a doctor (NBA and player association appointed) ruled in our favor, we made the obvious choice because it was the best thing for not only us, but for Miles as well. Now, with everything that has happened, we lose the choice to do anything listed above because the league and players association appears that it will not back their own statements made a year earlier. This, is unprecedented, unfair and whether you like to admit it or not royally screws Portland as we had options if Miles was determined able to play, now we have none.
     
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    What part of "career-ending" leaves a reasonable possibility of return? This last summer brought the first hint that he might try to make a comeback and by then the damage was done. What's the point of taking him off the cap if we're just going to operate like he's on the cap for the next two years?

    And again, where is the fairness in every other team being rewarded for this? I get it, you're a Bulls fan, this helps your team and so you don't have a problem with it, but if it was reversed you sure as hell would see how ridiculous this is.
     
  5. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    Ouch . . . you just lost a little credibility with that statement.

    If that is how you evaluate players . . . your power rankings don't have much value. :D
     
  6. Денг Гордон

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    But Portland, when they cut him, they had the knowledge that he could come back. They were never forced to cut him, they did that on their own conviction.
     
  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    hahahahahahahahahah :smiley-whatever:
     
  8. Blazer4life

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    Well one thing is clear. This will be addressed in the new CBA contract and I am sure things like this will NOT be allowed.
     
  9. AgentDrazenPetrovic

    AgentDrazenPetrovic Anyone But the Lakers

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    again, playing 4 minutes per game without doing hardly anything isn't shit. If teams are doing this out of bad faith and not because they want to give Miles a shot at his career, that's fucked. The rule was made so if Miles WAS actually able to play (which has not been displayed at all really), then the cap relief would be eliminated. However, this (to me at least) assumes that he is actually on a road to having a career in the NBA and not being used as a pawn by GMs trying to compete for next summer's free agents.
     
  10. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    White collar warfare.

    Maybe Paul Allen should offer OJ Mayo 100 million never to play basketball again.
     
  11. AgentDrazenPetrovic

    AgentDrazenPetrovic Anyone But the Lakers

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    Yeah. How would the NBA like that shit. Its within the rules, blah blah blah. Teams have to have some kind of ethical standards to abide by. But to try to fuck over a team for the sake of fucking their cap room is just classless.
     
  12. The_Lillard_King

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    Memphis also signed Steve Francis . . . who hasn't played. Could this be used to show they did not have ill intentions when trying out Miles?

    Also, could the Livingston situation be used to show that teams are intersted in players who displayed NBA talent before an injury and are curious to see if they still have it. I guess the difference with Livingston is no report . . . but I'm guessing you could find a reputable doctor, approved by all sides, that would get the same diagnosis as Miles. :dunno:
     
  13. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Livingston is four years younger than Miles though.
     
  14. Blazer4life

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    Here is a breakdown of the minutes Miles played this year. The 1st 6 are with the Celtics, last 2 with Grizzlies. His stats outside of the 1st game, were not that good and were REAL bad in other games. BTW if he could play, why did it take so long for the Grizzlies to pick him up? He has been available from the beginning of the season and they have no need for a small forward, (probably their most set position with Gay). They sign him, he serves his 10 game suspension (of course they do not have to pay him at that point), plays 2 games and is immediately cut. Makes you wonder.....

    WITH BOSTON (preseason)
    16 minutes vs Philly
    4 minutes vs Cavs
    9 minutes vs Houston
    13 minutes vs Cavs
    9 minutes vs Nets
    11 minutes vs Nets

    with Grizzlies
    1 minute vs Dallas (in a blowout) actually 1 minute and 30 secs.
    7 minutes vs Minnesota
     
  15. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    I guess I was thinking that looking at this outside of the perspective of the Blazers, is it really so strange to give Miles a try out via a 10 day contract?

    There are other questionable vets getting 10 day contracts . . .
     
  16. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I know what you're saying, but Shaun Livingston was a 6'9 (?) point guard who had good court vision. Miles was merely an athletic freak. If Miles is without his athleticism, what does he have? He was never a shooter. He was never an exceptional rebounder. The guy was good at slashing and running the floor. If his knee is bad, what does he have? That's the whole point. A point guard can play well into his late 30's because of his passing ability. If Livingston can still run, which is debatable at this point, he would be enticing. If he can't get up and down the floor, well, he wouldn't be worth keeping.
     
  17. igotask8board

    igotask8board Active Member

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    Any proof?

    Proof?

    You never know. Paul Allen is extremely wealthy.
     
  18. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    I'm not worried about this at all. I'm not worried about NBA backlash. I don't care about other media markets. Here are the facts:

    1) League-approved (and Union-approved) doctor said Miles' injury was career-ending.
    2) Miller's email spoke specifically about signing Miles to a "contract for the purpose of adversely impacting the Portland Trail Blazers Salary Cap and tax positions". That's it. If you want to sign Miles, go for it. If he shows he can play, no problem. If he plays 1:45 in two games (averaging 8 blocks per 36), and then is released, be prepared to defend yourself. Forewarned is forearmed.

    Now to non-facts: Billy Hunter just showed what a knee-jerk reactor he is, and why he's thought of by union leaders as a horrible union leader. (google Marvin Miller Billy Hunter) In misreading the email, he brought a racial and political aspect to this that doesn't deserve to be there. No one's telling Darius he can't play (except the Union and their doc). Portland's saying "if you do it to screw with us, be prepared".
    In response to Mr. Gilbert's last line:
    So would I, Mr. Gilbert, but obviously chatting over the phone hasn't worked in Ainge's or Wallace's case. Ergo, letting you and the other 28 know exactly where we stand.
     
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Someone get Jesse Jackson on the phone... the NBA and the Players Union are trying to keep 9 million dollars out of the hands of a deserving black ballplayer (not Darius Miles).
     
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    I bet you Houston was trying to convince Memphis to play Miles for 4 games. They gave them a 2nd rounder, cash, and Steve Francis. I doubt Daryl Morey burried the hatchet, Batum turned out great for Portland. They sabotoged the Rockets deal with Chicaco to get Roy, and outbid them for Fernandez. I wish Morey would sign Miles. Too bad the Rockets have 15 players. That email is really sickening.
     
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