Gavin and CIP were at it again this morning

Which point am I missing?

That you tried to compare apples and oranges?

Nice try, but it doesn't work.

Oden does EVERYTHING a coach wants in a classic center. (Note, I mention "classic" in my original post. Mentioning D'Antonio is thus pointless.) Oden just doesn't do it at a high level and he can't stay out of foul trouble - yet.

You are talking about bigs that do not do ALL the things a classic center does. Why bring them up? Who gives a hoot what some 6' 9", jumpshooting "big" does? Do they draw doubles? Do they cause offensive players to change their shots just by being in the space? Why not talk about Westbrooks stats? Or Joe Alexander?

 

Well, considering I started this topic to specifically counter what Chad and CIP had to say about Oden vs Howard/Amare/Yao their rookie years, I think I proved MY point. I didn't mention Love, Thompson, M Gasol, or Lopez, nor did I intend to.

One thing I *did* leave off my original post was that I do believe Oden will lower his FPG and will have a much better second half of the season. I'm looking forward to comparing his final numbers vs the list of players I ORIGINALLY posted, or, I suppose, any other rookie center.

Until then....

 

And they are essentially EMPLOYED by the Blazers, right? Or, rather, Paul Allen, who owns the Blazers.

 

Haha... I'm comparing apples & oranges, yet the OP is comparing Amare & Oden? You have got to be kidding me, that dude doesn't play defense at all and in NO WAY does all that we ask a classic center to do. You're being completely hypocritical. The similarity is they're both big men, and so are all the guys I brought up... so I have no idea what the hell you're problem is.

Below is my only point about per36:

This is not about what a 'classic' center does, it's about the stupidity of per36 stats. Yeesh.

 

You didn't prove your point, because Yao, Howard, and Amare had a bigger impact their rookie year than Oden has, so far. Oden doesn't play 36 minutes a game, so any stats assuming he does are irrelevant.

 

You are basically an employee of Vulcan Inc.!

 

There are times when playing-time-neutral stats are useful. I would argue this isn't one of them.

Oden's minutes aren't being held down by an unreasonable coach, or by playing behind a top vet. They are limited by his own fouls and lack of conditioning.

 

Blazer employee I think.

 

Notice, I didn't mention Amare in my previous posts, as I agree he isn't a classic center. Amare was drafted as a Power Forward, ended up playing center for a very rare system, and is now back at Forward.

So, you are not arguing my point, or the original poster's point, you are arguing for those radio dudes. They are the ones bringing up Amare in comparison to Oden. You just extended their mishmashing of two thoughts (comparing rookie stats of similar styled players Yao and Howard, and comparing rookie stats in general) into one comparo.

per36 stats aren't "stupid".

It is just data.

People who don't understand the numbers are stupid.

If you don't understand the numbers, and it makes you feel better to call them "stupid", instead of your lack of comprehension about them - go for it. The stats won't mind. They don't have feelings either.

As for folks who are actually interested in the topic, Oden's impact on games so far this season has been limited. Oden's impact on games last season was extremely limited....

Since Oden has some potential excuses (conditioning, coming off knee surgery, foot injury, plagued with foul trouble), fans are curious if he can stay healthy, improve his conditioning and limit fouls, what kind of numbers could he POSSIBLY put up for the 2nd half of the season and next season.

Per36 stats give those fans a starting point to work with. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Looking at the numbers, I think Oden has a good chance to put up some real improved 2nd half numbers and get his season averages up to 11 & 9. That isn't great, but would be much closer to the nubmers of the players the radio dudes brought up.

 

The OP mentioned Amare, and he compared Amare's stats to Oden, and I was responding to that. How can you say I'm not arguing the original poster's point?... You really are acting like an idiot.

I understand the numbers are completely fictional. I understand them perfectly.

Then what the hell is your problem, you clearly agree with me.

A starting point to what? It's completely made up. The OP was attempting to prove that Oden's rookie year is right on par with Yao/Howard/Amare's rookie years, and that's just false. I don't think Oden is underachieving exactly, you just listed a bunch of reason why his numbers should improve. I've been a huge defender of Oden and think everyone just needs to be patient. But using per36 stats and thinking you've proven he's had just as good a rookie year as those other three is flat out wrong.

Get a grip.

 

That's like the least surprising thing ever. I love how those guys douche it up and talk about themselves like they are the shit (la familia, people's champ- lol), but they are just a couple of nerds. Ugh, listening to most sports radio makes me wanna kill myself, but these two take the cake.

 

Biggest BONER move ever!
Peoples CHUMP!

 

Those two sound like a very good reason not to listen to sports radio in the morning, if at all. Try 91.5 instead. Kristian Foden-Vencil is quite relaxing.

 

This is the type of reaction you expect toward a Blazer TV employee when one of the out of town mods can't control himself enough to refrain from profanely insulting posters who don't agree with him.

 

Cowherd on 1080am or Dennis Miller on 970am are the two I play tetherball with in the morning.

 

man, gavin used to be pretty good back when he did post games for 1080, and the saturday shows. ever since he got a full time show, its gone to his head

 

la familia!!!

 

That's good stuff right there. Wouldn't surprise me if he asked for autographs inside the locker room. The guy just gets more unprofessional by the day, and all the success has gone to his head like it's his right to attend the games instead of it being a privilege.
I'm glad the team manned up and took away his credentials. Maybe that'll show him to get his shit together and start acting like a .. in his words... a "jobber".