Is Oden partly a victim of the Deron Williams treatment?

I never said Nate was treating rookies fairly. I offered up actual proof instead of speculation to show that Nate isn't Jerry Sloan when it comes to rookies. You may want to consider running your posts by me, BTW. At least that way they may be somewhat related to the topic being discussed. I'm still waiting for anything other than opinion to back the case that Nate views rookies and uses them in the same manner as Jerry Sloan. Whether or not Nate treats rookies fairly is another topic for another thread, I suppose.

 

Then don't comment on them. Of course, when you don't even know what the thread is about, I have to take your ignorance into consideration when assessing your own posts.

 

I never said that, Ed. Read the thread again and see me specifically comparing Nate to Sloan, or don't and continue to put words into my mouth. As for you disagreeing with me, I stated that if you wanted to debate things that had no relevance to my Sloan/Nate comparisons, then start a thread about it. Completely disregarding the context of my posts and then debating the strawman you constructed isn't my idea of a good faith disagreement.

 

Um, that is proof about me stating that it is a Nate vs. Sloan comparison on how they view rookies. I see nothing about whether or not Nate treats rookies fairly. Stop making stuff up about what I posted and stick to the words. You are in the wrong here by ascribing intent to my post that simply isn't there, and at this point it is clear you have some sort of problem with me.

 

jesus christ its the internet he has nothing against you

 

This entire thread started with a post comparing Oden/Nate and Williams/Sloan. You did read the title of the thread and the first post, right? Because here is a direct quote from the first post.

Did you just jump right to my post and pounce, because that what seems likely at this point.

 

I have no problem with you at all. I just don't appreciate having a strawman case constructed against me by a moderator who apparently didn't even read the first post of the thread.

 

I have no problem with you at all. I just don't appreciate having a strawman case constructed against me by a moderator who clearly didn't even read the first post of the thread and hasn't been on-topic once in it.

 

LOL

Whatever, Ed. Way to jump into a thread, make up your own argument, and hijack it. Well done.

 

Read the paragraphs you wrote above the bolded to find out where you misrepresented my position. The funny thing is, in another post you basically admitted that Nate does not view rookies in the same manner as Sloan, which was my original point as both I posted and then you directly quoted.

I'm not upset about it. I found it odd that you felt the need to pick out my post to respond to, when later on you agreed with my position without ever addressing the OP.

 

I don't think Nate is giving Oden a baptism by fire just because he's a rookie. Nate did say that he's going to keep Roy/Lamarcus as the first options on offense and bring Oden along slowly on that end. So far he's done what he said he'd do. He also said awhile ago that he's working on Oden's footwork and moving his feet on defense and that in the short-term that would result in foul trouble, but that he's looking down the road.

I think Nate's just trying to ease the pressure off of Oden, probably for the entire year, as well as get him into some good habits on defense so that he'll ultimately be the defensive presence we all hope he'll be.

Nate's use of Roy his rookie season is a combo of the entire team sucking & being young that year, Roy having played 4 years of college ball (we see this with his use of Rudy as well who has a lot of international experience), and Roy being one of the most composed and mature rookies to come out of the draft in years. In general, I think most coaches who have a winning team would be averse to starting 3 rookies in a single game, but Nate has done that this year out of necessity. He'd probably just as soon limit the # of times he has to though, just like most coaches.

 

Because right now Joel is a much more accomplished defender who knows out to stay out of foul trouble while covering for Outlaw and Sergio. It might have something to do with playing in the league 8 years instead of 4 months. No one in the right mind could argue that Oden is a better defender then Joel today. Heck, it might even be a stretch to say he will EVER be as good as Joel at team defense.

Oden doesn't look all that great right now because, he has 4 months experience and he is still getting into form after his surgery (it takes two years for complete recovery. At least for a player like Oden.). Nate has said many times that he will limit Oden's minutes for pretty much the entire year. I think this is a fine idea.

Next year is when we will see the real Oden. Until then I only expect to catch glimpses of what is to come.

 

Me showing the we ultimately have the same opinion on how Nate and Sloan view rookies (by your own words) is me whining? As for relating my point poorly, my point was as clear as day. What isn't clear is how you convinced yourself that my point meant that I thought Nate used rookies fairly.

 

I agree with all of that. I was replying to the poster who blamed the guards and forwards for Oden being in foul trouble, and I do see it as more a developmental issue than a coaching issue with Greg right now.

 

Well, the guards aren't helping. They just aren't the whole of the problem. If the guards played better D, Oden wouldn't be put in a position to fail as often. I don't want to sound like I think any one player is at fault. There are many players who are not doing what is needed right now on the defensive end.