Bulls Pining For Stoudemire, Kerr wants Noah Added to Deal

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The deal right now is: Gooden, Thomas, and Sefolosha, and the Bulls first round pick.

The Suns would like to see Noah.

Sounds like something is going to get done, given that Tech N9ne is Bulls biased. If something wasn't likely to get done, I would suspect for him to spin this as "not close" or "Bulls questionable about Amare".

The front court will be a mess for a little bit. Amare, Nocioni, Gray, and Simmons. We could bring in a D-Leaguer. Maybe bring PJ Brown back? Or as I'd hope, trade Hinrich for a big man. (I think we might be able to get Brad Miller for him).

But sounds like Amare will be a Bull. As someone on Blog a Bull said, about time having all these ex-dynasty guys around the league paying off for the Bulls.

Even if we don't trade Hinrich, it's basically the old core + Rose + Amare....we'll have Asik coming in in 2010, and we can sign someone this summer to help shore up our front court.

I like the trade from the standpoint that it gets rid of everyone from the two "bad drafts". I don't think Noah, Sefolosha, or Thomas were going to have much place here long term.

Hopefully Paxson gets this done before the deadline, so he can look at trading Kirk or Nocioni for a big man on deadline day.

 

Suns just got smoked today. They are more than ready to blow it all up. Pax is smart enough to realize that he is the one holding the cards and that he doesn't have to get rid of Thomas and Noah to get this deal done.

 

What about after that deal doing something like Hughes and ? for Jermaine O'Neal just to help your frontcourt out

 

Right now it's Gooden, Thomas, and Sefolosha and a draft pick. Kerr wants Paxson to add Noah.

There is no way we can pass on this imo. That is crazy talk. Who cares if we have no depth. It's not about this year. We're 22-29. At best, we will get into that 4 vs. 5 matchup, and probably get knocked out in the 2nd round. We have Asik coming over in 2010, we'd have another draft pick to use om a big man in 2010, we can use the MLE, LLE, etc. to bring in a big man.

And we could even trade Larry Hughes for a big man probably. (Hopefully those Hughes for Miller rumors have some substance to them).

 

Only if they throw in Amundson.

Brad Miller? Why would the Kings do that?

 

Seems like Thomas AND Noah is what he wants but the deal is just for Thomas and other players...but if I'm Pax then my deal will be "or" and not "and." I can see a Thomas (if he continues to play well)/Amare combo to be highly explosive....Or a Noah (if he plays right)/Amare combo to be a high energy....We could go either way.

Amar'e, regardless of the rumours of him possibly being "dramatic"...he has HIGH trade value if we need to trade him for another piece...like Bosh perhaps.

 

Amare is the best offensive big man in basketball. Tyrus Thomas' best career stretch is still worse than Stoudemire's career averages....Noah...obviously. Thomas, even during his hot streak, wasn't very good defensively. Everyone, except Amare Stoudemire scored over their season average on Thomas....that's not a very good hot streak.

Stoudemire/Gray is good enough to finish out the year. We aren't going to be competing anyhow. We could pick up Rasheed Wallace for the MLE or maybe less this summer to help fill out our front court.

We'd then be able to go into next year with:

PG-Derrick Rose/Kirk Hinrich
SG-Ben Gordon/Kirk Hinrich
SF-Luol Deng/Andres Nocioni
PF-Amare Stoudemire/Andres Nocioni
C- Rasheed Wallace/Aaron Gray

As long as Rose makes the sophomore jump we expect, that team could be in the mix for a championship next year already.

Personally, I could care less about what our front court looks like, as long as it has Amare on it. Think about it, we'd have the Old Core + Derrick Rose + Amare Stoudemire. That is great. We would just fill out the front court later. Really, since Nocioni is primarily a power forward now, if we get a starting center (Wallace) we can just move Nocioni to the backup role, Gray to backup center, and we have a fine rotation.

 

Pax may realize he holds some cards, but so do other teams...and if he's too stubborn other teams will enter the mix and make better offers....Chicago should feel blessed if they can make this deal in what boils down to Tyrus and Noah
......I don't think Amare goes to Chicago unless Deng or Gordon are in that talks....and if you think getting Amare isn't worth parting with Tyrus and Noah....then you have a major overvaluement issue with Chicago's players

They would be extremly lucky to get this deal done with Tyrus AND Noah

 

if you don't consider duncan, yao, bosh, garnett, and dirk big men then i agree with you.

 

Ben Gordon can't be traded. I doubt the Suns want to trade for Luol "Top 5 Worst Contract in the NBA" Deng. (I heard him called that in the past few days....).

They want an expiring contract and prospects on rookie deals. Bulls can offer that.

And it's not a matter of milking Chicago for all they have. I think Kerr wants to make Chicago into a championship contender, while sending the Suns into full blown rebuilding mode.

 

In his past 4 full seasons, Stoudemire is averaging a combined 23.2 PPG on 63.1 TS%.

No one even comes close to Amare in terms of big man scoring. He's done it with both volume and efficiency for so long.

 

and that had absolutely nothing to do with steve nash and d'antoni's offense?

the past two years with d'antoni amare was assisted on 70% and 65% of his baskets. that has dropped to 56% this season and is a big reason why he's not producing at the same level he was before. unless you pair him back up with nash and d'antoni, you aren't going to ever get that player again.

 

of course, for that offer if you're the bulls, you absolutely take amare. and i'd give up noah without any thought at all.

i can see at least a couple of teams out there that can offer big expirings and young talent as well though, so i wouldn't expect this to do done too soon(not until much closer to the deadline) unless the suns are getting exactly what they want.

 

Amare is still 61 TS% this year, which is outstanding, while scoring nearly 21 PPG. He would have Derrick Rose with the Bulls, who hopefully will be better than Nash when all is said and done.

I haven't watched a lot of Suns this year, but when the Bulls played the Suns, I don't recall them calling a play for Amare the entire game. All of their inside plays were called for Shaq. I think Porter not calling Stoudemire's number that often is a big reason for his decline.

 

Well, the only reason why I would be hesitant to throw Noah in the deal is because he could be used in a different trade. Him and Noc or him and Hughes or whatever. If Kirk got traded he wouldn't need to be packaged with someone else. Noc on the other hand is wanted by other teams and has some value around the league just not as much as Kirk, so I think he would have to be part of a package. Then again we are talking about an all-star forward who can produce immediately in the weak east. Tough decision.

 

Defense isn't very high on the list of priorities for Vinny. He never played it as a player and he sure as hell ain't coaching it. He says to media it's important but it clearly isn't getting stressed in practices cause they have many obvious issues on the defensive end.

Derrick is and always will be a pass first point guard. He hates to shoot. He always says the only reason he does is cause Vinny and the rest of the team yell at him to. Him passing won't be an issue.

 

You've got to add Noah and make this trade as quickly as possible. Don't play hard to get and let some other team swoop in and take him (as happened while the Bulls were debating about D'Antoni).

My prediction is the same thing will happen again. And for Noah? Please. Make the trade and then fill in the pieces.