John Salmons to Portland?

Isn't a a "frye" a baby "salmons"?

 

No, but he is solid. We aren't giving up too much for him, too. But one thing is clear: He is a big upgrade over our current options.

 

So we do this trade, and lets say WEbster comes back at the end of the year and hypothetically in good enough shape to contribute.... You cut Sergio and Batum out of the rotation. Rudy would hardly play because with Salmons (And webs and Trout trying to get some minutes at SF), Roy would rarely slide over to SF and play Roy and Rudy together... you got Webs gettin' like 10mpg, and Outlaw hardly playing because he wouldn't really slide between SF and backup PF anymore, just the leftover minutes at PF... on top of that you have Sergio pouting and either Blake or Jerryd's minutes cut drastically if they want to try and play Roy at PG with Rudy at SG. It would really cause problems. So if we do this trade (which is a steal talent wise for us) we would have to make another trade where we get rid of at least 3 rotation players, even 4 to get 1 so we can try and get to a 9 man rotation (which is where we should be for the playoffs). 12 people on a team who think they all should get at least 20mpg isn't a good thing.

 

Is a marginal upgrade worth pissing off our players? I tend not to think so. If were going to make an upgrade, make it BIG, Carter, RJ, Wallace, etc.

 

Dude shoots 47% which is better than Grangier, Rip Hamilton, JRich, Pierce, Hedo, Deng, Redd, VC, Butler and Josh Howard. He's not a great defender, but calling him a "not particularly good shooter" is simply not accurate.

 

He's not a "marginal" upgrade. He's a significant upgrade. That should tell you how weak our SF rotation is.

Batum is the future but he's obviously not ready.

Martell is one-dimensional and wont be 100%, most likely, until next season. A mediocre talent.

 

Slasher, not shooter.

 

He's shooting 42% from three this year and 82% from the line. Slash that.

 

He isn't a bad shooter at all when you look at his stats... 47% FG, 42% 3PT, and 82% FT. But he wouldn't really get his 14 shots/game up here as a 3rd option, and 4th whne Nate is determined to get Greg going (which he should do more). He would also be asked to play better D here... He is the same height as Brandon but not as built, and is 29 years old, and aquiring him would cause some rotation problems in my opinion, which is why I think i'm not for it.

 

He was a sub 35% 3PT shooter until this year.

Anyone can have a good year.

 

Its true, he was shooting 33% until this year.

 

LOL at people against Salmons for Frye. I roll my eyes at you.

Logjam at SF? HA! The Blazers have Batum at SF and NO ONE ELSE.

Frye hasn't played in a couple months. This is as big of a no brainer trade as you can get.

I also don't think it's real.

 

If you trade for him, you might as well slash the value of Batum/Webster/Outlaw.

 

I'm guessing Webster has no value. Outlaw would continue as a backup 4. Batum would suffer, but we don't need his value to be high. We just need him to gain strength and skills.

 

You'd give Trout 10mpg? Would you cut Batum or Webster out of the rotation (If Web's comes back)? And of course, one of Sergio/Jerryd would be out of the rotation, with the other's minutes probably less than 10 per game.

Anyways, I think I can see both points of view, simply because not only would Salmons be an upgrade, but only giving up Frye for him is a steal that is almost impossible to say no to. But I do think that aquiring him would create a problem unless we have another trade lined up (specially if he was involved!)

 

None of the guys we are talking about adding (Butler, RJeff, VC, Amare, etc) would likely get their same touches, so that's not something we can really worry about when trading IMHO.

Salmons is a great scorer who's shown an ability to improve year-to-year. This conversation seems a lot like people in the summer slamming a guy like Mo Williams who was a solid player on a crap team. Once he gets traded to a winning system, he was huge upgrade.

 

Salmons is a scorer though. SImilar to Outlaw, if he isn't getting his shots and scoring what is he going to do for us? And I was very high on Mo Williams.

Someone of Butler's caliber would be our 2nd option right from the start.

 

To Salmon's credit he's been one of the better perimeter defenders at the 3 when he's been freed up to mostly focus on defense. With the Kings this year he's been moved into more of a scoring role as the second option and from the handful of game I've seen him play this year I get the feeling he conserves his energy for the offensive end of the court a little bit (somewhat like Brandon).

So calling him a "scorer" is a little misleading ... though I still have my doubts that he'd be particularly effective if brought to Portland and asked to a third or fourth option; he's not really much of a spot-up shooter, he's much better coming off of screens or the dribble to fire his jumper.

 

PF: Aldridge 32; Outlaw 16
SF: Salmons 28; Roy 4; Outlaw 10; Batum 6
SG: Roy 28; Rudy 20

Webster is out for this year. I'll worry about his minutes next year after I see how he responds to being out a year. Right now he is a non-factor.

As Batum earns more minutes over the next few years you can see if you need to move someone. Not this year and probably not next year either.

I would rather have Butler or Carter, but if you can't get one of those, and can get Salmons cheap you do it.

 

Aldridge/Roy 32 minutes = FAIL.

You won't survive.