Violet Palmer- Worst Ref?

where did you get the ratings from?

 

I admit it.

And if I'm not mistaken, she was the one who ruled Devin Harris' half-court game winner no good, without even seeing the replay. *edited: Misogynist comments aren't allowed*

 

Whether the misogyny is joking or not, it's not appropriate. If you seriously want to discuss Violet Palmer's refereeing, feel free...but do it without taking shots at her gender or women in general.

 

To me, it has nothing to do with gender... But what I am opining is that she was considered the worst ref in the WNBA, and when she applied for the NBA I think she got a free pass as both a novelty and in the name of diversity. Well, she's now the worst ref in the NBA and I see far better refs being let go. I also have noted (and heard on various sports shows for the last few years) that there is a reason players are not allowed to complain to her very much and coaches & players rarely talk to her like they do the other refs. I am also saying that I disagree with this. One, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, religious beliefs... is either good enough to ref or not- period. However, she is an obvious exception and I think it's wrong.

If I accidently offended crandc or anyone, then I do apologize.

 

I don't there's evidence that the NBA discriminates among its officials by sex. Dee Kantner was also hired along with Violet Palmer, and the NBA fired Kantner for not being good enough at her job. If you believe that the NBA wants the female officials around for "novelty/diversity," then their firing Kantner flies directly in the face of that theory.

You may think she's a bad official...I've thought various officials over the years were poor...but I have never seen any evidence provided that she's kept employed by the NBA simply because she's female, or that she's afforded protection from coaches/players due to her sex. I've seen coaches and players bark and chirp at her like they do other referees, and someone posted in one of the threads on the Blazers forum, last night, an account by BeerBoy of Larry Bird calling out negative things to Palmer.

Also, I'm highly skeptical that Palmer was considered the worst ref in the WNBA. Why would the NBA choose one of the worst refs? How does that benefit them? I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm skeptical of whoever made that claim, simply because it doesn't make any sense.

 

Dee Snider or whatever her name was way worse.

 

Dee Kantner. Dee Snider was the lead singer for Twisted Sister.

 

When she was let go there were some player comments in the mags that stated Palmer was way worse. Based on what I saw, I'd agree. That said, I'm no officiating expert. I only ref'd OSAA high school basketball for 1 year.

 

Well, that's a perfectly fine opinion to hold. I just don't see how that fits your theory of a gender-based conspiracy by the league. If they're willing to fire a female referee for incomptence (as they did Dee Kantner), why would they purposely choose the better ref to fire and retain the worse referee? And if there were such a conspiracy, why would they fire either female referee?

Thinking Palmer is a bad referee is fine. We all have our opinions about who's good at things and who isn't. I just don't see the evidence for a league protection scheme around Palmer.

 

I'm saying as a black female she has certain guarantees that other refs do not have, ie, the right to be the worst ref in the NBA and have 100% job security.

 

Yes, and I'm saying that the evidence doesn't support that. They fired another female referee and they have other black referees...they don't need Violet Palmer to give them "racial diversity."

Clearly you think she's awful, which is fine. I don't see any evidence that the NBA thinks so, but retains her for "diversity" reasons.

 

It looks like they removed the video where Stacey King rants about what the hell Violet Palmer is doing from youtube.

She loves the reactions she gets from fans when she makes a bad call. That's what drives her.

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A couple of years ago the Blazers played the Knicks at the Rose Garden and Violet was one of the refs. The Blazers pulled out a close win and as Marbury stomped off the floor and into his locker room he yelled something to the effect of "she doesn't even belong here."

 

He'd need to work on his posturing to fit in.

 

Next time I have hard liquor, I'm coming in here and taking a shot for every post Minstrel has edited.

 

*edited: Pretty clearly inappropriate*

 

Clearly, this isn't going anywhere productive. Discussing the ability of a referee is perfectly reasonable, but using it as a jumping-off point for insulting women or lesbians (whether in "joke" form or not) is entirely unreasonable. If you disagree with my closing it, you can PM me. If you don't think I'm being reasonable and would prefer to talk to someone else, barfo and Ed O also moderate here and are available to PM, as are the administrators, like Denny Crane and others,