Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP I think what he was saying is that the reason why they advanced in the playoffs is because of Pau. You're reading WAAAYYYY too far in to it. By no means is he saying that Pau could take the Lakers to the playoffs without Kobe. He simply said that Kobe made it out of the first because of Pau, at least that's what I read based on what you quoted.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Yes I see how you could have been confused at first, but I have made it very clear to you now. There's no need to splice my words any further. Simply refer to my last post, there's no way you don't understand what I'm saying by now. This team is feeding off of Pau and Kobe's chemistry. Either Drew helps us dominate or Odom being a third instead of a second option, opens up the lanes for him.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP He also said, in exact words, that Pau would get destroyed without Kobe in the first round. Again, he also said that Kobe wouldn't make it out of the first without Pau. And that Pau wouldn't make it out of the first without Kobe. What he said was the importance of Kobe = Pau when it came to making out of the first round or not since either of them without the other wouldn't make it.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Jesus Christ dude, if we were lucky enough to make the playoffs, he would get destroyed. Get off it. This team is a lock for the post-season with Kobe, not with Pau though. Either way they aren't going anywhere but at least Bryant won't get swept.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP We began this debate about Kobe's importance. Now, you add in the fact that Pau + Kobe = X, with X being the benefits of them playing together, when the discussion started with Kobe's value to the team against Wade's. In that sense, you say Lakers can make the playoffs without Kobe, yet Wade can't. Thus, Wade's value to the team must be greater. I have no idea why you began to talk about Kobe and Pau, as Pau wasn't even part of the discussion, so let's keep this between the subtraction of Kobe and Wade, instead of adding variables into the argument that, really, have no relevance.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Ok I'll make it simple, start from scratch and forget everything you have stated. You are hanging on to this out of context comment I made. Without Kobe and Drew we aren't making the playoffs. If a fucking MIRACLE happened and we did, wow, nice job. Doesn't matter Pau would get owned again. This team only gets out of the first round with Bryant, and with some luck. Just like those Suns' series in years past. Kobe's value to this team has been validated with the injury to Andrew, he most of all was subjugating his stats.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP And yes, I am quite aware Pau is better than what Wade has, and? Bron had who last year? He would still play well by himself, as would Kobe who would feast on the East.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP I have no idea why you began and is still continuing to talk about Bynum and Gasol's relations with the value of Kobe. You're either saying Lakers - Kobe - Bynum = No playoffs or you're saying Kobe - Pau = lock for playoffs. This is a discussion of the direct importance of KOBE and the Lakers instead of Kobe + X. Simply by bringing in the other variables, you are displaying how much of a supporting cast Kobe has and what an advantage it is over the Heat's supporting cast. In that sense, the subtraction of Kobe would not hurt as much as the Heat without Wade.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP I'll tell you why I brought it up, because I felt like it. I don't think this team is nearly as talented as others think, but what we have accomplished without Drew impresses me. That said, obviously Wade has more "value" to his team, because his team is mediocre at best. Yet I don't care because that is a flawed barometer to measure value. Bron has a great team around him, but he would play great with or without a great team around him. Wade's stats mean nothing, if we wanted to go by just that he still doesn't win it for me.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP This is funny because you obviously feel differently about the issue now. From this, you agree that Wade has more value, regardless of whatever tool is used to measure value and importance - Wade is more important. I didn't talk about Wade's stats, so let's not talk about something different just because you "feel like it."
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Forums are for discussing various issues, I will go on tangents sometimes. S2 guidelines are not THAT strict. Now back to Wade's value, I have not admitted anything in the matter of Wade having more value to me, just by the fashion in which you defined it. Value to me does not depend on a supporting cast, but what an individual does by himself everything else being equal. Kobe is past his prime but still as good as anyone to me.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP In that sense, I agree that Kobe is the most valuable. But, in relations with their team, Wade is the most valuable player to his team than any other player in the league.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP I'll give you that. But if Bron didn't win it last year I see no reason to start giving it away to Wade.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP We all know the NBA is not exactly free of bias and fan-voice. After all, it is a business.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Sure, that is a fair point as well. The MVP process can be quite arbitrary some years even if a general formula is followed.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP I disagree. Kobe's offense is far and beyond more polished than Wade's. Wade's jumper is still shaky, and he's not even a threat beyond 19 feet. He's better at getting to the rack, and slightly a better finisher, but Kobe's post game is a lot better than Wade's, along with the 3. With that said, his mid range game is still better, and his footwork is the best in the league. In terms of fundamentals, the only person who would rival Kobe is Duncan, but now it seems that Kobe's pulled away in that aspect. In terms of passing ability, Wade is better, but no by much, Kobe doesn't handle the ball as much as Wade. Oh, and borrowing moves from a player doesn't mean that the player he borrowed it from has a more 'diverse game, it simply means he's expanding his game. In fact, Wade himself borrowed moves from Kobe from practicing and working together in the olympics.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Gasol's Memphis teams were 50 game winners and made the playoffs a few times. I think the 2nd best player on those teams was Mike Miller; maybe Sasha is about as good. Not to mention Odom. Meanwhile, a younger Kobe led Lakers team won 34, 45, and 42 games before Pau. Losing in the 1st round twice and not making it the other season. The seasons before those? 50+, even 67. Shaq was there. So it seems to me that Kobe's not the player to lead a team on his own to championship contender status, but with a guy like Shaq and now Pau, he is a vital part of a championship contender.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Mike Miller >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sasha. Don't ever disrespect Miller like that, again. Kobe is the focal point and the clear cut leader of this team. We're not nearly as good of a team without him, even with Pau. Don't rip Kobe off of the credit he deserves.
Re: How D-Wade chooses his MVP Wow Denny this is the worst post I've ever seen you make. Kobe also never got swept in the playoffs, and Pau had Posey, Battier, Jason Williams, Mike Miller, Eddie Jones, while barely putting up All-Star numbers himself. Did he have Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, or that other trash Kobe dealt with? Odom is inconsistent as hell as a second option and Kobe got hurt when the Lakers missed the playoffs. Sasha is garbage, don't even compare him to Mike Miller. What a joke.
