Um, why didn't we do this sooner? Maybe we could have kept Richard Hendrix? Bah, who am I kidding. Nellie would not have played him anyway.
Man, it sucks that it didn't work out, especially with that pick going the other way. What are the conditions on the pick? Nets fans are laughing now. I like the Warriors, I wish this worked out.
Well it's a conditional pick, so I'm guessing lottery protected. Let's just hope it's not one of those picks that no longer become lotto protected after a certain period of time. It's like how the Knicks missed out getting somebody good, but they traded unconditionally. Ouch! Isiah Thomas for Warriors GM would be 10x worse. Warriors management is stupid. F-ing Rowell and Cohan. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle dum.
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/07/nj_nets_send_marcus_williams_t.html The Nets will get the pick if it is not among the first 14 selections -- that is, if the Warriors make the playoffs in 2011. If they don't get it that year, they will get it in 2012, provided it is not among the first 11 picks, or in 2013, if it is not among the first 10. If the Nets don't get the pick by 2013, they will get a second-rounder in 2013 and a second-rounder in 2015. So, as long as the Warriors can tank enough to stay in the lottery through 2013, then they will only have to part with a few second round picks. Chances are they'll part with a mid-first round pick -- like 20 or something -- in one of those first few years. However, the sour part is that it could be a mid teen pick in 2012 or 2013, for example pick 14. For instance, if the Nets had acquired it this year, they could have taken Anthony Randolph from us at pick 14. Like "thank you very much."
Good work, Alley Oop. Glad to hear it benefits us to suck like hell! With the Warriors, this will be no problem unless it's a contract year for everyone. Then they'll make the imaginary 9th seed!
Similar to the Raptors one with the JO-Marion trade. If we suck in 2010 again, we only give them a second. And If we suck til 2014, that's it. Let's hope that when/if you guys give up that pick, you have a very good record and are not like 8th in the west.
That's a huge issue with *Coach* Nelson. Why does he continue to stick to small ball? Even Mike D'Antoni and Alvin Gentry plays two bigs together and his players are much happier. It's not like we don't have two bigs and I agree that we should have kept Hendrix.
Rowell would be a better GM. At least, he'll make deals based on keeping the Warriors below the lux tax and won't trade our young guys.
Well, according to recent reports, he's going to go to a traditional lineup. We'll see starting tonight. Why he continues to use small-ball is because he's had a lot of success with it in the past, just two years ago...
Small ball was great two years ago, but people figure it out and your players get beat up, especially inside. It doesn't last as we saw last year to an extent and especially this year.
Agreed. It works at times, but that doesn't mean it should be the golden rule. There are times to go big, and times to go small. What gets me is when people say that "Nellie has the personnel to go small, so he should." Because Nellie will always have that type of personnel if it's up to him. But that isn't the only factor; it should also matter what type of personnel the other team has on the court, too. You can't always make the other coach adjust. Sometimes, you must adjust yourself. It's a balancing act. Too often, it seems, Nellie refuses to make his own adjustments. I mean, AL Harrington at Center against a team like Utah with Boozer, Milsap and Okur in the middle. I'm sorry, but that is a fool's errand for Al right there. And, as far as last night against NJ, it as nice to see Monta/Randolph/Beans playing together. I'd love to see Wright/Randolph/Beans all together, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't know about that, but at least our premise wouldn't be about taking selfish star players who play no D and put them together as a 5 man unit. I mean seriously a lineup of Marbury, Crawford, Quentin Richardson, Zach Randolph, and Eddie Curry ain't going to win top 29 in the league in team assists. All those guys look for their own, even though Marbury and Craw tried to get the ball inside. The backcourt just can't co-exist with a team that moves slowly... that's typically what happens when you create a backcourt that does not feel comfortable slowing things down and are more shoot first scorers than they are passers. Randolph and Curry are horrible defensively and I don't see how one could support the other except for getting offensive rebounds. They don't play enough D to get the defensive ones.
Sorry for posting a dated post, but I haven't been thinking about the Warriors at all and did not see this tidbit posted. It appears the Marcus Williams trade got even worse because the Warriors are giving a 2012 first rounder and two future second round draft picks. This allows them to send the first round pick to the Nets in 2012. I'm sure the Warriors are going to make a pitch for Amare Stoudemire again and he doesn't even want to play here. What a miserable bunch of idiots the Warriors management are. Do the Warriors care what other people think at all? This makes a bad deal even worse. How f-ing stupid is the Warriors new management? I am hoping and praying to see a sea of empty seats at the Arena this year. For too long, Warrior fans have continued to support a poor team and poorer ownership. It's time Cohan loses his shirt and is forced to sell the Warriors, but so far it's like the Warriors are the ugly sister of the lovable losers in MLB -- the Chicago Cubs. Warriors delay sending first-rounder to Nets Marc J. Spears By Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports Sep 20, 7:52 pm EDT Although the Golden State Warriors sent two second-round picks to the New Jersey Nets in order to delay giving up a first-rounder to New Jersey, that doesn’t mean Stephen Jackson is leaving the Bay Area anytime soon. The Warriors were able to push back the delivery of a previously traded, lottery-protected first-round pick one year to 2012, NBA sources told Yahoo! Sports. The pick had been sent to the Nets in July 2008 in exchange for guard Marcus Williams, who signed with the Memphis Grizzlies as a free agent this offseason. For agreeing to delay receiving the first-rounder from Golden State, the Nets will acquire two future second-round picks from the Warriors. The first-round pick originally was lottery protected in 2011. It now has lesser protection for 2012, though sources did not reveal in detail the exact level of protection. The move allows the Warriors more time and flexibility to package their 2011 first-round pick in a deal, if they so choose. A source, however, said Golden State currently does not have any potential trades on the horizon – including anything involving disgruntled forward Jackson. Jackson was fined $25,000 by the NBA last week for telling Dime Magazine in August that he wanted to be traded from the Warriors. The Warriors have stated that they expect Jackson to be a part of the team and arrive at training camp. While a source said the Warriors are open to dealing Jackson, his contract – with four years and $35 million remaining – makes moving him difficult. Jackson averaged a team-best 20.7 points, 6.5 assists and 5.1 rebounds for Golden State last season.
I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean we're actually giving up a first round pick, it just means that we won't give one up in 2011. The pick is still protected, top 9 I think, for 2012. That's a pretty sweet deal. We can now trade a first and combined with all our expirings or even Jax or Maggette should get us something pretty good. With all the young guys on the roster there isn't a whole lot of room for second round picks anyway, plus Nellie can get FA rookies and D League guys with just as much potential. The Warriors will still probably suck and we'll end up giving up 4 second rounders instead of 2 for the Williams experiment.
I know what you're saying, but this is the Warriors inept management we are talking about. I'm sure they're going to screw up the big trade and most teams would have had something lined up before giving up two extra second round picks. Marcus Williams was a panic move and the Warriors continue to pay for their mistakes. This just makes it worse. How can one improve for the future when they continue giving up their future for other players now? I rather see AB, BW, Monta, Curry and the players we want to build with actually play. Of course, Nelson is never satisfied with developing the players that he has. BTW I was watching Hollywood Homicide tonight and if Harrison Ford gains 300 lbs, then he could play the role of Don Nelson.
