OT: Point guards ranked by PER

So you think Denier is better than Williams and Paul, and Sergio.

What would we do without stats?

 

You still didn't answer my question (and I don't expect you ever will). Do you think Sergio is a better player than Deron Williams and Chris Paul?

So, if you were offered Chris Paul for Sergio straight up, you wouldn't make the trade?

BNM

 

Try sorting by PER, and see whether Diener remains on the top-20 list.

(Hint: He doesn't!)

 

Not Williams and Paul, but definitely better than Sergio.

Unlike Sergio, Diener actually protects the ball and doesn't turn it over needlessly. In fact, Diener leads the NBA in A/TO (5.89). He has a higher ASST rate and and is 2.5 times less likely to turn the ball over than Sergio. Sergio gives the ball to the other team 15 times for every 100 possessions. Deiner only coughs it up 6 times per 100 possessions.

That was your list, not mine.

BNM

 

How good is Sessions? Is he really that good? I haven't been able to watch him much. He seems very small and slight - sort of a TJ Ford / DJ Augustin type (is his middle initial J?). Why is he playing behind Luke Ridnour? Skiles actually really cares about defense, and if he's playing Ridnour ahead of Sessions, how bad can Sessions' D be?

I'm prepared to be convinced that he's the bees knees, but it'll take some evidence/arguments, and I want to hear them from people who've watched him play.

What I like about Miller is that he's one of those players (Kidd and Nash being the apogee of this breed, but Sam Cassell too) whose arrival with a team seems to instantly turn them around (Billups did it this season for Denver). Plus he's a vet. Maybe we don't need that, but maybe we do.

 

I'm not sure that's how it works. McMillan purportedly cares about defense and has generally played Sergio ahead of Bayless. Bayless has issues on defense currently, but he's a markedly better defender than Sergio, IMO. Many coaches place a high premium on seniority with point guards.

 

Okay, except there's a difference: Sergio plays because Sergio is a PG and Bayless just isn't. But Sessions seems to have the assist-accumulating thing down at least - he did manage to set the Bucks' record for that. (And in one sense of seniority Sessions is ahead - he's been with the Bucks longer.)

 

I don't think I understand this stat. If Rondo improved his FT%, he would probably be top 3, or no? He's in the top 3 for like 5 or 6 of the categories.

 

Well, we're going to have to disagree on that. He was recruited to Arizona as a point guard, he was slated to play point guard at Arizona until their shooting guard went down with injury and Bayless was shifted to fill the void. IMO, he was drafted as a point guard and is planned to be the team's point guard. His Assist Rate is about 20, which is what Russell Westbrook averages as the Thunder's point guard and isn't that far off Devin Harris and Tony Parker. Even Derrick Rose and Rodney Stuckey aren't that far ahead of him in Assist Rate (all of the named players under a 25 Assist Rate). All of those players are widely considered point guards.

If you mean he isn't a traditional pass-first point guard, that's true. He's a scoring point guard, which is increasingly prevalent in the league these days. Chauncey Billups started off as one and developed his distribution skills as he got older. Harris and Parker are very valuable scoring point guards who draw defenses and distribute through that drawn-in defense. (Chris Paul could be called a scoring point guard, but the problem with him is that he's great at basically everything, so you can call him whatever you like.)

Bayless is very much in that style of scoring point guard. Watching him, he's still raw, but he's shown a good ability at getting into the paint and finding teammates for open shots.

 

I'm not entirely sure what's holding Rondo's PER down. His FT% is poor, but his overall scoring efficiency is solid. He's a great rebounder for his position and has a great Assist Rate. His Turnover Ratio is a bit high, but not crushingly so.

 

Except McMillan a week or tow back said that despite Sergio being a crappy defender and Bayless a hardworking defender, that Serigio knows the team defense and Bayless doesn't and Bayless make a lot of mistakes. So, there you have it.

 

Yeah, he has. His Rookie year

2006-2007 = 2.83 Best of any Blazer, 25th in the league, (6th in league for assists per 48min with 12.1)


2007-2008 = 2.32 slid due to only playing spot minutes (8.7), (tied for 14th in league assists per 48min with 9.4)

2008-2009 = 2.41 49th in a league of 450 players, (10th in league for assists per 48min with 10.6, Blake at 39th with 7.7, Roy at 65th with 6.5)

Ironically, both Roy and Blake improved their A/TO Ratio this year by getting fewer assists than last year, rather than improving their ballhandling. They simply made fewer attempts at helping their team, and it helped their statistical bottom line. Sergio improved at both stats this year over last.

 

I love it! I need some popcorn to sit back and watch this circus Maris is putting on.