For some reason, I don't even notice Gay much when we play Memphis, though on paper, he's their best player. I remember that last year, I was very impressed with him...thinking..man is Roy or Gay the best player from that draft. Well now, it's unquestionably Roy of course. Maybe he's a quite producer, like Rahim. He would be a great addition to the team though, if we could perhaps trade Outlaw, Webster and a pick for him. We'd also probably have to take back a bad contract, like Jaric. Would Memphis hand him to us on a silver platter like they gave LA Gasol?
No because Gay doesn't have a fat contract like Gasol and hasn't publicly expressed that he wants to be traded also like Gasol.
Thanks for the insight. Given that, he doesn't sound like a fit with the Blazers (no D, low IQ) Do you think he gets the extention he wants this summer and how much?
Batum is our future three. Like the above poster said about Gay, Batum is the opposite - High bball IQ/very good defensively.
acting like its a foregone conclusion that the market will bear a max (superstar) type contract for him is a real stretch. He's a good (not great) talent at probably the easiest to fill position and he's coming up for Free Agency at the worst possible time because finances will be restricting. I'm not sure what reputation you're siting, but dude was a late lotto choice and is regressing statistically on a bad team... I very much doubt he'll garner a max deal STOMP
By my post above you guys probably think that I see Gay as a player we shouldn't keep. I am still high on Gay but he just needs time to mature. I think our coach should do what Erik Spoelstra did for Mike Beasley. Basically said play defense or play off the bench.
Based on what? Half of the teams in the NBA taking a cut-rate loan financed by the NBA right now to stay afloat? I'm guessing we're on a way to a lock-out if things aren't dramatically altered in the way the NBA does business.
I never said a "max contract." I said there's a pretty solid chance that he could get an offer for more than he's worth. There's room between what he's worth (about MLE as things stand) and a max contract. As for reputation, I'm not citing any specific source. My feeling is that Gay is viewed as a young, emerging star. He could still become one, but right now I don't think that that's what he is.
On the fact that teams have been maneuvering to get under the cap in anticipation of James, Wade, Bosh and Stoudemire hitting the free agent market.
thats my position that you took issue with... you stated that Portland would have to pay him like a star (stars make the max) or someone else would and the Blazers would lose him outright. STOMP
So, if you're one of the players who will already be maxed, it's a good thing. If you're Rudy Gay, you'll take whatever you can get above the MLE regardless of the four you mentioned. Think Darius Miles without a panic buy by the Blazers. Are you living in an economic bubble right now?
That wasn't quite my position. My position was that he would want to be paid like a star in order to do an extension. If Portland didn't offer him that kind of salary, he'd choose to go on the free agent market. Once on the free agent market, I think there's a good chance that he'd get an offer for more than he's worth (not necessarily a max deal) and that Portland would have to better that offer to keep him (after being rejecting in his initial demands, he likely wouldn't return for the same amount another team offered him). Therefore, they'd have to pay him significantly more than he's worth (in my opinion), or else lose him and the talent they traded for him.
No, if you're Rudy Gay, you'll take the best offer you can get from one of the teams who cleared cap space but failed to get any of James/Bosh/Wade/Stoudemire. Which may be considerably more than the MLE.
he's younger, more coordinated, and has better all around game then Travis. Purely based on physical talents, I'd put his upside higher for sure. STOMP
Or it may not be, if people see Rudy Gay as nothing more than filler now on a bad team, as many here seem to view him. Why pay luxury tax money to be a mediocre team when people can't afford tickets? Go the Oakland A's route and overperform if at all possible.
Possibly. I don't think he'll be flooded by offers, but there's often one or two bad decision-makers with some money to spend and a desire to make a "big splash." Gay is, at least, a somewhat name player. You mentioned Darius Miles and Portland's "panic buy" but there are likely to be teams who have been selling "cap space" to their fans as a panacea and will feel the pressure to get someone who is plausibly young and talented, as Nash did with Miles.
I don't see many teams with Allen money to panic on an overpriced contract in this climate, especially for a player who doesn't win. He is a lower-priced version of Gerald Wallace at this point. I wonder how bad Charlotte wants to unload Wallace's contract right now.
you don't pay someone more then they're worth in an extension unless your GM is an idiot (John Nash). The team is offering security of a long term deal and usually gets a break in price for offering guaranteed dollars in advance. few teams will be able to offer more then a MLE deal in the 2010 off season and fewer still will have need of a starting SF. While it only takes one good offer for a guy to leave, I still contend that you're overstating things thinking that a significantly greater then MLE offer will definitely be there for him in 2010 unless he does really big things next year. STOMP
True, but Allen was in cost-cutting mode at that time. Nash didn't have unlimited resources to spend...he had a decent payroll and spent it unwisely. If New York can't get two of the top free agents, after having demolished their roster to get cap space, I could certainly see them offering Gay an overpriced deal. Similar players to Gay (Miles, Larry Hughes, Eddie Robinson, etc) have parlayed a few good/decent seasons and a rep as an up-and-coming star wing into fairly large deals for the time. I didn't say "definitely," but I think there's a pretty solid likelihood. Whether I'm overstating it or you're understating it, we'll have to disagree. Not that it's particularly important, as I don't think this is going to end up a situation for Portland to deal with.
