Financial aid to illegal immigrants

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  1. Natebishop3

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    If anything, the real native peoples of the SW United States should be thanking the Mexicans with Spanish blood lines for wiping out so many of their ancestors with disease and religious oppression.
     
  2. Denny Crane

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    Denny, is it then your opinion that I am entitled to Russian, Belorussian, Polish, Dutch, British and French citizenship because I can trace my lineage to those countries?
     
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    This is exactly my point.

    How far back is "ancestor" defined when you want to qualify as a "native"? This line of argument just doesn't make sense to me.
     
  5. Denny Crane

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    I am not at all considering citizenship an option for these people who immigrate here. I've repeatedly said this. Naturalization is a very different thing.

    A Mexican citizen who comes and stays here is still a Mexican citizen. Just as a Canadian or French or Russian citizen who comes and stays here is still a citizen of their country. If they apply for citizenship, there is a process to go through that's been in place since the founding of the republic (unlike immigration laws, which have not). Citizenship includes the right to vote, to receive social security and other benefits, etc.

    If you move to Russia (and they allow it), it'd be up to you to become a citizen there or not.
     
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    So, I should be able to enter those countries without the permission of their governments, set up shop and use their resources without paying taxes? In your mind, I have that right?
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    There are millions and millions of people who've done just that in nations around the world; not particularly the USA.

    Heck, there's several million Iraqi citizens that just crossed the border and settled in Syria alone.
     
  8. maxiep

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    That response doesn't answer my question.
     
  9. Denny Crane

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    If a country claims to be a free country, then yes.

    Though paying taxes is the govt.'s collection problem.
     
  10. maxiep

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    So, a nation should have no control over their borders?
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    What does "Free" in "Free Country" mean to you?
     
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    everyone is free to come in, no questions asked? :crazy:
     
  13. Natebishop3

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    Apparently "free" means, free health care and free education for those who don't pay taxes.
     
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    That the citizens of that country live free within its borders. What does it mean to you?
     
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    We still have customs and inspections and that sort of thing.

    Nothing's really free, now is it?

    Flip it around. If we weren't a free country and they built a wall to keep you in. Or built a wall around your house to keep you out.
     
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    Once again, that's not a response to what I posted. It was just nonsense.
     
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    Suuuuuure.
     
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    yeah. but why if illegals can just come here. why bother with customs? its against our ancestors!
     
  19. Denny Crane

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    999 out of 1000 would follow those rules.

    When the border with Mexico was open and you didn't need a passport, I don't remember people crossing into Mexico (if at all) where the customs agents weren't.
     
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    Again, why bother to have customs if you are advocating open borders or aid to illegals?

    what is the purpose of checking people into this country if we do not prosecute or kick out people coming in illegally?
     

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