Can Bayless be a PG?

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Which of these is closest to Bayless (player prototype in parentheses)

  1. Of course he can - he always has been (Chris Paul)

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  2. He's a scoring PG (Tony Parker)

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    20.9%
  3. He's not great at passing but he'll learn (Billups)

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    35.8%
  4. He wouldn't be for most teams, but Roy complements him (Ron Harper/Derek Fisher)

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  5. He's a "combo" guard (young Steve Francis)

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    17.9%
  6. He's a short 2G and will never be a PG (Iverson)

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    16.4%
  1. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    What do you think?
     
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    IMO a pure distributing PG? No... but with a SG like Roy who dominates the ball so much and distributes a lot too.. I think that a player like Bayless can be someone who is even more important than a "Pure PG" One thing noticed by many in this recent series is we cant just have 2 scorers in the starting lineup. And I'm not saying that Bayless should have just been thrown in this year.. he wasnt ready. But down the road he will be perfect with Roy IMO.
     
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    OT: BrianWheeler - been loving your .sigs. Is the long-rumored Arrested Development movie ever coming, do you think, or is it just a myth?
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I think he's a twenty year old rookie with a year of college ball and 600 minutes of floor time. I voted Chauncey Billups as his ceiling, mostly because of Mr. Big shot's ability to get into the lane and draw fouls. Jerryd will never be a 'pure' passing point, but I think with practice and time he's got potential to be a very good guard (combo, scoring point or otherwise).
     
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    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Haha awesome, glad to hear there are other fans of Arrested Development! And get this.. from what I've read.. The lone Holdout, Michael Cera (George Michael) is on board finally! I'll find the article and post it for ya in a second.. stupid clients at work lol.

    Found the Article.

    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b101449_sources_michael_cera_joins_arrested.html
     
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    Re: AD movie - Great news, thanks!

    Re: Bayless. I'm REALLY hoping that somebody will pull a Danny-Ainge-with-Telfair and give us a top 6 pick for Bayless. AND THEN: because my dream came true and teams like Toronto and the Clippers lucked into the top 3 picks, we trade them the #5 pick (so they can get Thabeet or Harden) and our cap space for an unloaded salary and the #2 pick and get RUBIO!

    In Pritchard I trust.
     
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    I thought Bayless was a great fit next to Roy and I still do.

    We all know the scoring will be there in his career, but I think he has the ability to make plays based on the fact he can get into the lane almost at will. Once he becomes a threat to score at the basket consistently teams will have to rotate to him and he'll be able to hit open players for wide open shots.

    He'll never be a Paul/Deron type PG. Think more Arenas/Davis.
     
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    Your comparison of Bayless to Telfair (in terms of trading him away) seems to suggest that you consider Bayless a likely washout that should be dumped on an unsuspecting GM. Then you finish with "In Pritchard I trust." The problem with that is that Bayless was very much a Pritchard pick. Not just a pick, but someone Pritchard specifically traded up for. So your trusting Pritchard and also seeming to have no faith in Bayless as a prospect seems a bit contradictory.
     
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    somewhat I could see that.. I'll chime in... but me for example I LOVE what Bayless brings to this team and think he will be a very good starter... but if Rubio was available.. I would do it. So in Pritchard I trust.. to make the right decision for the future of this team.
     
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    I would also trade Bayless to get Rubio, but I don't think Bayless will bring back a #2 pick himself. What else would you include? Rudy and/or Batum?

    Anyway, my point is more that Pritchard clearly has faith that Bayless can be a point guard for this team, as he specifically wanted to acquire him. Pritchard could be wrong, but I don't understand "trusting" Pritchard's judgment and writing off Bayless already.
     
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    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    A PG that can drive and keep the defense honest, when he's in the game, therefore reducing the defensive help on B-Roy.

    B-REX and B-Roy, our tandem....that we need.
     
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    agreed.. but where did B-Rex come from lol I have heard that before.
     
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    Oh Minstrel. I am large, I contain contradictions, but this is not one of them, for the following reasons.

    1. I do not believe that Bayless was the target. I believe that DJ Augustin was the target. (And my believing this shows my faith in Pritchard, because DJ Augustin would've been the penetrating PG we needed against the Rockets.) When the Bobcats surprisingly stole Augustin early (Larry Brown's influence on Michael Jordan), Bayless was a fallback because he had the best value at that pick.
    2. Bayless was a smart take at that point, as evidenced by his stellar summer league performance. But he was never a keeper (as revealed by Pritchard's description "Jarrett Jack on steroids"), he was and is a chip to be moved.

    So you see, I have great faith in Pritchard and there is no contradiction in my statements.
     
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    That's a whole lot of assumptions...
     
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    not to mention.. I would take Bayless over Augustine IMO.. not a knock on DJ I like him.. but Bayless will be killer next to #7
     
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    Any beliefs about Pritchard's target in trading up have to be assumptions. You think he's ever going to say he was hoping for someone else?

    Besides, all I have to do is show that my position is consistent with trusting Pritchard. I have done that.
     
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    He certainly wasn't this year.
     
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    well yeah this year would not be one to go by though with Jerryd IMO. But I agree that DJ was better this year.
     
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    I am astonished at how much people have pigeon holed Bayless with only having seen such a small sample of his game. It's so much worse than anything anyone has said about Sergio (three years in the league), and Outlaw (six years in the league). This guy has yet to be given a real shot to show what he can do, and yet people are willing to give up on someone who was far and away the best player in the summer league last year.
     
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    Agreed. 650 minutes of PT is an infinitesimally small sample size to be deciding what anybody is. But if you were to use half of the opinions generated here as the foundation for a player evaluation you'd suspect he'd been playing and sucking balls for 2 or 3 years. In the same vein I've tried to resist the temptation to look at his mostly good, 12 or so game run in the middle of the season when Blake went down and use that as a basis of expectations.

    I suspect the Blazers Brass' is taking a somewhat longer range view.
     

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