Merged: Another Crazy Thought: Baron Davis

he'll make about 12M next year, so conceivably he could be traded for using just Portland's capspace.

He's a chucker from the outside as his low FG% indicates, but many of those chucks come when the clock is winding down... it might be a different story if he's catch and shooting off of good looks from Roy's drives. He's tremendous at setting others up because he can take most PGs off the dribble with his quickness/strength avantages and has a great feel for the game. Playing on a team with as many weapons as Portland has, I could see him averaging a career low in points and being happy about it because he'd be part of a winner.

Personality wise, I've heard he's sort of difficult because he's so bright and has many interests outside of hoops... this makes him different then most NBA players so there is often some disconnect between him and his teammates.

Acquiring him would be a win now move as he probably doesn't have more then 3-4 years left. While not my ideal target, I'd rather they trade for him (with little other then salary going out) then stand pat.

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Fuck Baron Davis. His only redeeming characteristic is that his beard looks like the guy who sang "New Shoes" for The Busboys in the movie 48 Hours.

 

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no on baron, like everyone has already hashed out. i love the thought of him posting up smaller 1's and creating open shots for the wings but he has too much baggage and too large a contract to bring onto this team.

 

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that is still my favorite poster from my childhood. i personally loved that clyde wasn't on it. The other three had a grit and toughness to them, like they would run right over you if it meant getting the bucket. cylde never seemed like that kind of player to me.

as for the new one....

 

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Speaking of Baron Davis.

Interesting, but I still don't want him on the Blazers.

 

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I love the thought of Andre Miller posting up smaller 1s even more.

 

Again, he's not the guy I'm targeting, but his contract would not be a problem. They won't have the capspace to go after prime time FAs after this off season regardless of whether they sign a high dollar FA like Baron this summer or not, but doing so will not limit their ability to resign their own.

the size of his contract wouldn't limit the club's ability to make moves in any way

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No thanks to Baron. I agree with some that it's fun to watch him play when he's at his best, but not for our team. It's too bad he didn't stay with Golden State as that was the best fit for him.
He'd probably sulk being the third option behind Roy and Aldridge.

 

Why not Baron Davis ??

As I've watched Chauncy Billups help make the Nuggets emerge as a title contender from a also ran playoff team I have tried to figure out who could fill that role for the Blazers.

So I ask, why not Baron Davis ? Could you imagine a back court of Brandon Roy, Baron Davis and Rudy Fernandez ? What about those three ending games with LA and G.O ?

As far as I know Davis has never had off the court issues. He actually has done some great things in his community. How many Blazers have done as much as he has ?

His contract is for another 4 years I believe. The question would have to be if BRoy would accept having another player whom he may have to share the spotlight. This team desperately needs a veteran go to guy who can make a big shot in the clutch. Hopefully Brandon understands that.

I think this team is ready to add that last ingredient, ala Buck Williams and start competing for a championship and not just making the playoffs.

Bibby, Miller, Sessions these are guys who will not put us over the top. Baron Davis is as close to a Chauncy Billups type that I can think of that will put us over the top. Paul Allen, KP have to make a bold decision and shot for the stars and not think in the lines of the Free agents that are out there now.

So, can anyone make an argument why Davis would not be a good fit for the Blazers ? I'd love to know because I can't.

 

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Chauncey Billups was a Finals MVP. Billups is a defensive minded point guard. Billups has a track record of winning in Detroit. What has Baron done, other than score?

 

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People tried to state pretty clearly why he would be a huge risk, it's all above in a variety of posts.

-Injury Prone: The guy has missed 20+ games 6 out of his 10 seasons in the NBA; either he's brittle as glass or he's a pussy.
-Expensive: 12+ million for a guy with his skillset isn't expensive by itself, but put together with his injury history it's a lousy investment.
-Hasn't displayed a great ability to fit in with teammates. Is this just Baron being misunderstood, or him being a giant douche? Who knows, but the fact remains he has not exactly left places on good terms and there's even talk that the Clippers would love to ship him back to Golden State in exchange for Corey Maggette this summer if they somehow land Rubio in the draft ... think about that for a second.

No one is doubting that Baron is a talented point guard, however, most people question his durability and the massive risk (in terms of chemistry and financial burden) associated with his acquiring him.

 

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Um, perhaps the greatest upset series in recent memory? The only other times an 8 seed upset a 1 seed were best-of-5, and one of them was in the lockout-shortened season, where there wasn't that much between the two teams.

Look, I can see people's scepticism. I didn't like Davis for the longest time. I thought the Warriors were stupid for picking him up. But I think he really grew in GState, his time with the Clippers will have made him hungry, and he has pledged that next season he's going to kick ass. And he really does have superstar skills.

Sure I'd rather have Billups - everyone would. But Denver ain't giving him up. And on their best days, Baron is more talented than Chauncey. He's just ("just") not as reliable. Players that talented aren't available without flaws, and while Baron has plenty, he's also incredibly talented and 2 years and 5 months younger than Billups.

 

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Yeah.... but it was the Mavs. We almost came back from a 0-3 deficit to beat them. That team is soft as tissue.

 

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okay, he did leave New Orleans on somewhat bad terms. His team sucked talent wise and his owner (notorious cheapscape George Schinn) wasn't willing to go after FAs. They had no hope of winning on the horizon so he requested a trade. At least in my eyes thats somewhat understandable from his perspective. But I completely fail to see how he left GS on bad terms. They wanted him back by all accounts, but their notorious cheapscape owner Chris Cohan wanted him at a reduced dollar. The Clips stepped up and offered him more and he took it. I don't hold it against a player for going with the biggest contract offered... if I did, I'd resent 1/2 the league. Heck, I'm currently working for the company that offered me the most $$$ when I was last job hunting.

I believe that chemistry/player personalities are very important, and Baron may well be disqualified from becoming a Blazer on that front, but I don't think I can accurately gauge this from my seat anymore then I can accurately gauge the relative health of his knees. In general I just judge what I see on the court. If these other things aren't a problem with the Blazer front office and medical staff, and he was being made available, I'd support him coming on board.

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I think Baron is more into expanding his directing films career than improving his NBA game...I am not sure he wants to leave the LA scene

 

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I think it's fitting that the slowest player is the only one who actually looks like he's running. LaMarcus looks like he has stomach cramps and is looking for the nearest WC and Roy is walking the ball up.

I think the slogan on that poster should be a take on a line from the movie "Next of Kin": "You ain't seen bad yet, but it's comin'...in about 16 seconds."

 

I think I would do this trade - I dunno if the Clippers would:

Clippers give up Baron Davis and their draft pick (let's assume they get, say #4, not one of the top 2)
for
Blake, Outlaw, Bayless, $3M of PAM and a pick or two.

Then we use that high pick to get Brandon Jennings or Stephen Curry or whomever KP likes best as the trainee PG.

I think Outlaw and Bayless fit perfectly with the Clippers' style of a bunch of one-on-one players (isolation play being Dunleavy's only style of offense). But they also get a PG who'll do what he's told and give the ball to the people Dunleavy wants to have it. Plus they save Donald Sterling a bunch of cash.

Remember, this is the team that gave up the #2 pick in a draft that featured Rasheed Wallace, Jerry "the latest next Jordan" Stackhouse and Kevin Garnett for Rodney Rogers, the #15 pick and Brian "pre-Bison Dele" Williams.

 

The Clippers would do this deal in a second since it would be the first time in recent memory they came out on top in a trade. I don't much care for Blake or Outlaw and have no clue what the future holds for Bayless. But I do know that Baron Davis is a quitter along the line of Iverson in Detroit. This would leave Portland with a moody jackass (Davis) as a starter and a huge gamble as a back-up. If Portland suffered just a bit of adversity, I assure you Davis would start having back or knee problems that would keep him on the bench.

The idea that Davis would work in Portland is absurd. Do you honestly think Roy and Davis will get along? Roy is all about winning and Davis is all about Davis.

 

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Billups was the starting Point Guard, Team Captain, and often the best player for a team that went to 6 straight Conference Finals.

SIX STRAIGHT.

There is no other PG that has that resume.

The closest to it would be Tony Parker.

Steve Nash a couple of years ago.

I also don't think many would discount Chris Paul and his talent and leadership already shown in his young career.

Baron Davis just isn't in that same class.

So, since Billups, Parker and Paul are not available, rather than saying you want the closest thing to a "Billups", I think you have to say who could we obtain and who would be good fits?

 

My thinking on trying to get Baron Davis is that we wouldn't have to mortage our future to find a go to player. Also I don't think Parker or Paul would be a good fit with Brandon because he hogs the ball in the 4th Q. I can't find the quote but I remember Brandon saying that we didn't need a Paul type because that wouldn't fit with his style. Baron Davis would fit with Brandon perfectly. Davis doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effectice like a Parker or Paul.

Also, Andre Miller ? Are you kidding me ? Like I said, KP has to think big and take a big risk if he wants to move this team into a championship caliber type team. I'm tired of all this talk of Miller, Bibby, etc.

Also, this is what really cracks me up. Why do fans care if X player is making Y amount ? Am I going to pay Baron Davis's contract ? Did any fans pay for Scottie Pippen's contract when we were 7 minutes away from a trip to the finals in 2000 ? Um NO. We will be over the cap after this year so who cares.

I'm not saying Davis is in the Pippen or Billups category as far as acheviments go, BUT he hasn't played with a Jordan or the cast that Billups had in Detroit. My point is Davis would fit in with this team. He has never been arrested, never had problems with fans. etc. I think the guy gets a bum rap. And to be honest, It wasn't until Billups got traded to Denver did I start thinking that Portland has do something to get Brandon help, like now.

This team has no second option !! Zero, but yet fans don't want to take a chance on someone who is percieved as a bad apple. I'm sure Houston Fans were pissed when they beat the Lakers in game 4 vs the Lakers. OR when they finally got out of the first round WITH Ron Artest.

I'm done with the Choir boys. LA is awesome , don't get me wrong, but he is soft and always will be. This team needs character, I think Davis would bring that. We have enough young talent, period. Stop with all the draft picks, etc.

Could you imagine if this team had Davis and Antonio McDyess ???

No, the majority of fans want Andre Miller and DeJaun Blair ?? LOL, that is small town thinking.

IMHO