The president's plan is to have a federal single payer system as an alternative to traditional healthcare. The cost to employers and individuals will be about 1/3 the current costs. That, in and of itself, will most likely cause both companies & individuals to leave their more traditional plans and use the nationalized plan. Since I work for a company owned by a large health care company, I note that about 20,000,000 people are employed by health care providers nationwide. As people opt out of traditional companies and for the federal plan, companies will close and people will lose their jobs- there will be no stimulus plan for them. To be sure, some will latch on with the feds to administer their plan, but current estimates are that 40-60% will permanently lose their jobs. And those figures seem right to me. Now, pay attention, I am not necessarily a supporter of our current health care system. To me, it's bloated and in desperate need of serious changing and possible regulation. My concern is that to have such a radical chance in health care from a system that at least delivers quality health care on a consistently better basis than any known nationalized plan should count for something. Yes, deep changes need to be make, but Obama's plan to me is way too radical. I think something inbetween will best serve all people concerned.
Oh, don't you know they tell you not to give out personal information to big bad strangers on the internet. It's of no concern to you. Sorry for pointing out the lack of reading comprehension by your friend. Unlike some people, I have nothing to prove on the internet.
You list your favorite teams in your sig. Asking which school you attended is about as personal as that. And I wasn't defending anyone, I just asked a simple question. Clearly, you're embarrassed to answer it.
Jesus, when you have kids and they turn into teenagers (if they aren't already), I can already tell they're going to fucking hate you. You guys have the answers to everything.
As opposed to unemployed people sitting it out while tens of millions suffer unbelievable high insurance prices with craptacular service choices and a completely broken system. Sweet! Glad you agree with me!
Do you believe the Government creates positive returns? If Government did provide a positive return on investment, every company would be government owned. However, it's been empirically proven that increased government interference lowers efficiency. The money has to come from somewhere. You can't continue to create new programs by cannibalizing the private sector. Sooner or later, the leech will suck all the blood out of the body. And insurance prices are so high because we expect insurance to pay for everything. They're inefficient because only companies can write off insurance premiums. A private individual can't. I had a period between leaving grad school in June and starting my new job in August. I obtained catastrophic insurance through State Farm with a $5,000 deductable, 80% coverage to $10,000, 90% to $20,000 and full coverage thereafter. It cost me $41/month. That's hardly a backbreaker. If I would have had something serious happen to me, I would have been responsible for a maximum of $7,000. That's an amount anyone can repay over the long term. As for a single payer system, we already have it. What do you think of the VA or Medicare? That's your future. Great stuff. Really top notch.
I love how Shooter/Talkhard spent the last several years defending our last president's "with us or against us" foreign policy that pissed off 80% of the world but now takes the first opportunity to bash the current president because Canada has their panties in a bunch over America's plan to help American companies first. Jesus Christ. -Pop
Interesting to watch the Obama supporters on this thread. Not a single intelligent, or reasonable thought has been put forth about this blunder of a policy by Obama. Instead they have resorted to attacking other posters and attacking Bush. Well played.
I am the Lord your Obama, who brought you out of the land of Bush, out of the house of free markets; you shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your Obama am a jealous Obama, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
I know. They go away when reason comes out. Not that there isn't room for intelligent debate on the issues, there is. But every time anyone makes a good post they seem to evaporate.
It's because for years they were sold a line that the Bush Administration was the root of all evil and once he was gone there would be sunshine and light. All it took was "Change" and "Hope". Now people are finding out that all change isn't good and hope means you hope you get to keep your job.
