A starting contract of $8M for five years with small increases annually. Would that get him? I'm warming up to this idea. Let the good times roll. What better player to add to your team if you're needing to build to get past the Lakers. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Would that get him? Hell, half of the GMs in the NBA would be laughing at whoever gives him that deal. He's a $5-6 million/4 year guy, tops.
If Portland's interested, they'll have to overpay. LA would re-sign him in a heart beat if the contract he was willing to take began at the mid-level. Posey got a deal of the mid-level variety and Ariza significantly better and hasn't nearly hit his ceiling yet. $7M starting seems to be more within reason.
How is Ariza better than Posey? Their games are not at all similar other than Posey is actually a decent 3pt shooter while Ariza is not (outside of his playoff hot streak).
Really people, look at what Ariza is asked to do. It's pretty minimal. He guards the opposing team's SF (does he even guard SGs? I don't think so - they put Kobe on Roy), he shoots open threes, and he's active on D. He's a role player. A very good role player, but there's a reason he bounced around. He's not a threat off the dribble, he can't create his own shot, and he's pretty slight. He's perfect for LA, and THEY need him, but that doesn't mean he'd be great anywhere else. Matt Barnes isn't far off from Trevor Ariza.
Really? I would have to guess that several of his prime time steals in the playoffs were worth that much alone.
Like I said, someone will overpay for him because he had some moments in the playoffs. I just hope it isn't the Blazers, for reasons I've listed in this and the other Ariza thread. His stats in the Finals were fairly miserable, and his career PER is actually less than that of Travis Outlaw. He is a very limited player who found a system that needed his skills.
Only in the 4th quarter. He defended him the first 3 quarters. We want very good role players. All the more reason to get him. They are easily our #1 threat, and losing him would really hurt him Matt Barnes is as far off from Trevor Ariza and Trevor Ariza is from Teyshaun Prince, IMO
Finals Stats: PPG - 12.0 RPG - 4.0 APG - 4.2 SPG - 1.0 BPG - 0.4 FG% - 61% 3FG% - 61% Miserable? That would be the 3rd best stats of any Blazer this playoffs. Up until this year, Ariza wasn't given the freedom to shoot 3's or play extended minutes. He's totally taken advantage of his chance in LA to show what type of player he is.
Again though, what price will you pay for a limited role player? No way. Barnes and Ariza are much closer; Prince is a much more complete player than either of them. Plus, Barnes is a better offensive player than Ariza.
Those are his stats for the Utah series. Check out the stats for Orlando. That is who the Lakers played in the Finals. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2426
I think he takes us to another level and is not a "limited" role player but a very good role player. I would pay him 6 million+ a year for sure. I see you put IMO in bold, but I don't agree with your opinion that Barnes is a much better offensive player. He doesn't score any more than Ariza in a system that is made for scoring. Sure Barnes averaged 1 more point per game this year, but Ariza shot a much higher percentage.
I've been saying for years that Ariza is at least the player and prospect that Outlaw is... only now that he's healthy are more people starting to see it, too. Ariza doesn't blow anyone away with his PER, but he does things defensively that Outlaw simply does not... things that don't factor into PER. He also is more capable, IMO, of intelligently playing within an offensive framework. I really would have liked to add Ariza before these playoffs, and the performances of TO and TA since haven't changed my mind. Ed O.
Haha, oops! Nice catch, thank you! His percentages weren't as good for sure. He did average 11pts, 6 rebounds, 2stls, and only 1TO pre game. Still better than anyone did this playoffs outside of LMA and Roy. He did that on the biggest stage vs us in the 1st round. His playoff averages are very solid. And like Shane Battier, I believe there is more to his game than the stat sheet shows. I'm guessing the GM's and the free agent market will agree with me on this. We'll see...
One way to judge would be PER. Ariza is over 15 for the season. Posey is below 11. Even if you compare them at similar ages, Ariza has him bested.
I'm not saying that I would oppose Ariza, but someone is going to pay him more money than he is worth given his limited skill set. He's a role player and can't create off of the dribble. As I posted earlier, I feel he would be worth $5-6 million/4 years and would jump at it. The problem is we're seeing numbers STARTING at $8/million in a five year contract. I don't think he's worth that much money as players like him historically can be found for much less money. The Spurs pick up a guy like him (solid role player) almost every year it seems, and for much less money.
I hope he's eyeing him. I also hope he doesn't pay him $8-9 million/per over five years. He's not worth that money.
