Hinrich telling friends ...

Rondo is no Magic Johnson, yet the Bulls made him look like he was.

 

What? Hinrich played much better defense than Blake.

 

Really? Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo had incredible series against the Bulls. Who did Hinrich guard?

 

Who did Derrick Rose guard? Who did Ben Gordon guard?

 

What does this have to do with Blake vs. Hinrich.

No one is trying to make Capt. Kirk the next CP3 - but he is an upgrade, a pretty big one, over Blake, defensively.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Rondo is a better offensive player than Brooks - and Hinrich contributed more against him then Blake did against Brooks. Nothing less, nothing more.

The numbers just do not agree with the idea Blake had a better playoffs (offensively or defensively) than Tiberius Kirk, Captain.

 

Yet, a rookie, or maybe hes in his 2nd year, totally destroyed Blake, a "vet".

I dont see the correlation here PapaG. Blake is an OK defender, Kirk is better. Big deal. Either way, if we get him, we're in a better position.

 

Ok pull up your stats man. Back it up. Lets compare the stats in two completely different series and for some reason, those will back it up, because they are totally different teams and series who play at a different pace, but hey, those stats somehow match up. Here it is:

Steve Blake
Minutes per game: 38
Points per game: 9.8
FG%: .489
3pt percentage .417
Rebounds: 4
Assist: 6.2


Kirk Hinich
Minutes per game: 30 (6 less minutes per game than Blake)
Points per game: 12.6 (in 6 minutes less per game than Blake)
FG%: .468 (lower than Blake)
3 point percentage: .433 (better than Blake)
Rebounds:2.7 (Worse than Blake)
Assist: 2.9 (Worse than Blake)


So what do those numbers tell you? I can't make anything out of them, because they are against two different team, in a different number of minutes, and Kirk Hinrich actually plays SG part of the time when he is on the floor with Rose. Top it off with the fact that Hinrich was defended by Rondo who is actually a good defender, as compared to Brooks (ooh what a defender....) I don't really know how you can expect to get anything out of this.

 

I don't think Kirk Hinrich is the key to anything in terms of improving the team. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't view him as a huge upgrade over Blake. I saw people dribble right by Hinrich all series versus Boston.

 

Hell i could be wrong too, but I did see some good things from Kirk in the play offs...

oh well, fuck it. We'll all see tomorrow

 

That's why you try to use PER for offense and DWS for defense (for no better alternative) - since they try to remove some of the issues like pace and minutes and the like. Based on these - Capt. Kirk did better in these playoffs on both offense and defense than Blake did.

 

About as much as comparing Aaron Brooks to Rajon Rondo made in this thread, and then saying Brooks looked like crap against LA. Well, Rondo played much worse against Rafer Alston than he did against the Bulls. What that means? Nothing, just as somebody saying Brooks played worse against LA was relevant.

 

That's what I get for reading posts out of order.

Blake's net gain for the team was 1.8PER. This was solely at the 1.
http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08POR1.HTM

Hinrich had to play the majority of his minutes at the 2. While at the 1 for 11% of his team's minutes, he had a net gain of 10PER!

He played 45% of his teams minutes at the 2, and playing out of position, still managed to have a net gain of 2.3PER.

Did you not watch the series?

 

One of the best comparisons I have seen. Except Hinrich is a much better offensive player than Joel will ever be.


It boggles my mind how people can think Hinrich is only a minor upgrade over Blake.

 

For those assist numbers, Hinrich was the only guard off the bench in that series, so Rose ran the offense half of the time Hinrich was in the game. He's a career 6.1 APG.

 

I am sorry - but you made the claim that Blake had a better playoffs than Hinrich did - so looking at their numbers and comparing them, defensively, against who they went against - makes sense when assessing this statement.

The numbers show us that Kirk had a better PER (mostly, better offense) and a better DWS (measuring defense). When we actually look and see who they faced - the comparison between Brooks and Rondo makes sense.

It's all about context... In the context of your argument - this comparison makes sense. I am not the one that made the declaration that Blake had better playoffs than Hinrich - you did - and this statement is just plain wrong from a simple statistical evidence. It is even more damning - on the defensive side, when you consider their opponents.

Does this make it clear why I made the comparison?

 

Chicago drafted a player to replace him, and Hinrich is a career 41% shooter who turns the ball over without putting up a lot of assists.

I'm not that excited about him. I hope he proves me wrong if he lands in PDX.

 

It was Rose who couldn't defend Rondo. He played the point for 84% of Chicago's minutes.
http://www.82games.com/0809/playoffs/08CHI1.HTM

 

I just compared statistics as well. Your stats versus my stats. Hence, a debate. I love how people just ignore the dominant series that Rondo and Allen had against Chicago. Hinrich was torched, as was Blake at times.

 

6.1 assists to 2.3 turnovers for his career. And Rose was the best player in that draft.

 

So Chicago didn't even trust lock-down defender Kirk Hinrich to defend a quick PG? That actually hurts your case IMO. Blake at least defended a quick PG, to mixed results. The Bulls didn't even let Hinrich defend the guy who was shredding their defense? How does that make Hinrich the guy to stop penetration in Portland?

Plus, Ray Allen went off anyhow? Does that mean Hinrich can't defend quick PGs or outside SGs?