I Agree With Canzano Here...

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  1. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    You'd let Blake and Outlaw go for nothing more than cap space? That seems risky. Not to mention you go into free agency without any leverage, with Bayless and Mills as your only point guards. I even would have a difficult time doing the same with Outlaw. I like Pendergraph. I think he can step in and replace Outlaw, but I'd like to see him in Summer League first before making that decision.
     
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    I wasn't thinking of it like that. So, we'd have $7M in cap space. We move Blake/Outlaw's $7.6M to the Magic for a resigned Turk at $9M. We absorb the $1.4M difference and still have $5.6M in cap space. I see your logic.
     
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    Haha, congratulations. It's really hard to see most of the time :cheers:
     
  4. Crimson the Cat

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    Hey. It's early. I haven't finished my cup of joe yet. ;)
     
  5. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Nope. He counts against our cap this summer (and every summer until we renounce his rights). If the goal was more cap room, we should have traded out of the 1st round.

    Plus, if we stash Claver overseas for a couple years, and he really is "lottery talent", he'll make way more money staying in Europe than the Blazrs will be able to offer him due to the rookie salary scale for 1st round picks.

    BNM
     
  6. OddEnormous

    OddEnormous I'M FLYING!! I'M FLYING!!

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    Fast forward 18 months and the guy has no knees can't get up and down the floor and everyone is saying "KP blew it in the 09 draft, why did we draft a guy with bad knees!!!!!"

    Everyone needs to stop pretending they know more than 3 of the best minds in basketball.

    You all just need to stop
     
  7. BLAZER PROPHET

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    Yeah, I did. None send me over the edge.
     
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    So what? He's a second round pick. We bring him in, get his knees checked out and if he can;t play we cut him.

    Geeze, how hard is that?
     
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    I don't think that was the goal though. By moving Sergio and taking his $1.6M off the books, it's less necessary to defer the $1.02M #22 salary spot. There's a higher probability that Claver becomes a greater asset than the $1.02M we saved IMO, especially since I believe it's a lopsided trade we're focused on and not free agency.

    Worked out ok with Rudy Fernandez. Sure, it's a risk, but it's better than taking a less talented guy in this years draft that we have to start paying to sit on the bench. I suppose the argument could be that we should have just traded it for a future draft pick, but if Claver is one of your top targets and is right in front of you it's best to take him then and attempt to manage the risk in the years to come.
     
  10. OddEnormous

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    OR, here's an even better idea, we don't draft him at all and get 2 guys we actually want with good knees.

    Geeze, how hard is that?
     
  11. Trader Ed

    Trader Ed Go Blazers!

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    http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/09-10salaries.htm

    Storyteller updated his numbers last night

    assuming the cap is the same (which I think it will lower), we have a team salary of $49.982 mil (See actual column) which gives us cap space of $8.699 mil

    waive/trade Claver, Kopo and Freeland and you can add about $2.6 mil to that

    waiving Blake and Outlaw before July 1 can add $8.25 mil to that

    cap going down say $1.5 mil reduces the cap space of course, or whatever number happens
     
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  12. RickyRubio

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    I thought when you waive a player, the money counts against your books as if they were on the roster.
     
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    yeah, just like Rudy huh? To some players its not about the money. Just like Rudy. They want to play in the NBA. Not make more money in Europe. Or they would have never entered their names in the draft.
     
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    What if Pendergraph or Cunningham is better then Blair? They both have good knees.
     
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    The answer is no. Blake and Outlaw's contracts become guaranteed if they aren't waived by June 30th. You can start talking to free agents on July 1st, and sign them the 8th (?). So once we can start talking to Hedo, Blake and Outlaw are already expiring contracts for 2010. Orlando would have to want both of them to consent to a S&T, something that's unlikely given that if they could take on $7-8m in contracts, they'd just resign Hedo themselves.
     
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    Not necessarily.

    If Hedo says he is not re-signing, then they have a couple of options. They can let him walk, or they can get two players who can help them a lot and are both expiring contracts. Signing Hedo for 9 million for 4-5 years is a lot different than taking on Blake and Outlaw's 9 million for 1 year.
     
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    fair enough, they might go for a Blake-Hedo trade, with Portland's capspace absorbing the extra 5 million Hedo would make.
     
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    Just for clarification, I don't think they will. They could however. Blake and Travis will probably be here next year and there will be a clusterfuck of a log jam. Chemistry will be a problem and I will get to say I told everyone so.
     
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    They may be healthier - they will never be "better". Blair and Cunningham went head-to-head in college, and Blair owned his butt every time. (despite Cunningham being older and more experienced)
     
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    Incorrect:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=290280222

    Blair: 7 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block
    Cunningham: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 2 blocks
     

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