Grade the draft

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Wizard Mentor, Jun 25, 2009.

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Grade our draft

  1. A

    8.2%
  2. B

    27.6%
  3. C

    35.7%
  4. D

    17.3%
  5. F

    11.2%
  1. number 10

    number 10 Our Savior

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    KP has so far denied having any intention of doing so. At a minimum, his rights could be traded for a future 2nd rounder, I just don't see us flat out renouncing him. Koponen, on the other hand...
     
  2. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    If we don't renounce, or trade Freeland, his cap hold plus Claver's cap hold count nearly $2 million against our avalable cap space and puts a big dent in what we can offer any prospective free agents. $2 million isn't usually considered much money by NBA standards, but that's a difference of $2 million on the starting salary we can offer a free agent - which means about $11.5 million less over the length of a 5-year contract.

    So, that is a significant amount of cap space tied up in two guys who won't be on our roster next season (or perhaps ever).

    BNM
     
  3. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

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    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11888745

     
  4. Blazer4life

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    LOL, I like how they give us an F for not picking up a PG when he picked up one at pick 55 who played in the Olympics for his country where he was the leading scorer and impressed players and coaches on team USA. Besides do they really think that anyone we drafted at pick 22 would've contributed right away and been better then Bayless. I don't think so.
     
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    alex42083 Thanks Brandon

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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...rd-cooper/06/26/grades/index.html?eref=sihpT1
     
  6. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    I agree. I'm not saying we did really well in the draft (I give it a C) . . . but if the logic is that the Blazers blew it because they need a PG and this was a PG rich draft, that is poor logic. If the Blazers need a PG to improve the team, they need to go after a proven NBA PG given their cap space situation, not a young PG that will take a couple years to develop.

    Luckily the Blazers don't need a PG becuase they have Blake. :D
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    Q about Sergio: it seems that the Blazers did good by trading him to get away from his contract. What if the Blazers never exercized their option on Sergio this year, then they wouldn't have to give up anything to get away from the guarenteed contract . . . right?

    Why did the Balzers even extend the contract on Sergio to begin with?
     
  8. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    "The real impact was in getting away from money that can be invested in free agency, where Portland has a much better chance to make a meaningful splash to take the next playoff step. It got away from a guaranteed contract by taking a player at No. 22, Victor Claver, who is expected to stay overseas."

    This is only half right. Yes, we get away from a guaranteed contract if Claver stays in Spain, but his cap hold still counts against our salary cap and impacts how much we can "invest in free agency". So, our supposed big splash in free agency is smaller than it would have been if we would have traded out of the 1st round.

    BNM
     
  9. malarky

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    I keep hearing that Claver, Freeland or Koponen will not be able to be signed if they turn into studs because we will not be able to match the money they are able to get in Europe. I don't believe this is true. According to the portion of the CBA linked and quoted below; If you wait for 3 years after drafting a player and still retain his rights you can sign him with any available cap or exception space. Freeland could be signed for any amount of our cap space this summer. Koponen will be available this way next summer and Claver will be available in the summer of 2012. I expect San Antonio to sign Tiago Splitter this way next summer.

    http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VIII.php#section2
     
  10. andalusian

    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    Probably to see if playing extended minutes next to Rudy will revive his career, which it has, for a bit - to the tune that we got to move up from 38 to 31 for having him pay free elsewhere...
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    We won't have cap space next summer of the summer of 2012. Do you really want to use our cap space this summer to sign Freeland?

    BNM
     
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    We will always have cap space or the MLE to sign these guys. No I don't think we should use the space on Freeland. I was pointing out that it is an option available to us.
     
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    i picked B but more twoards B- i like pendagraph hes a fucking horse, claver dont know shit about him but in kp i trust, cunningham ill roll with seems pretty decent, and patty mills is a freaking steal at 55.... probably been said before but meh. kinda sad we didnt get blair but his knees must have red flag, caution tape, and bright ass orange cones around them because for him to slip that far they must have been more jacked up than (could go with a michael jackson joke right now but wont...) a hooker on crack....
     
  14. Blaze01

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    If I recall, POR has to maintain a certain number of roster spots (12 I think)...they will have only 10 (raef, sergio, shavlik, ruffin & frye). I think the minimum amount of around 495,000 is charged for each spot. So Claver really only costs POR around 450,000, and Freeland and Koppnen's cost would be slighly less. I could see them cutting or trading away 1 of them, but the cost to POR is rather small.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Call me crazy, but I think Claver is on the move. I know he "feels" like a KP pick, but if healthy he was probably going to be a lottery talent if not this year then next year, he's going to have some value for a team that is looking to shed salary in the near term, but also doesn't just want to do a pure salary dump with no talent coming back; bottom line I think there's a strong possibility his caphold never ends up mattering.
     
  16. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Actually, they already have 11 - Claver makes 12. So anyone else (Koponen, Freeland) will count the full rookie scale salary against the cap - unless they are renounced. Which is why they will likely renounce their rights to Koponen and Freeland. This also assumes they renounce Channing. If not, Claver makes 13 and his entire rookie scale salary would also count against the Blazers cap.

    Darius Miles - $9,000,000

    Joel Przybilla - $6,857,725

    Greg Oden - $5,361,240

    LaMarcus Aldridge - $5,844,826

    Steve Blake - $4,930,000

    Travis Outlaw - $4,000,000

    Martell Webster - $4,344,000

    Brandon Roy - $3,910,816

    Jerryd Bayless - $2,143,080

    Rudy Fernandez - $1,165,320

    Nicolas Batum - $1,118,760

    BNM - $0.00
     
  17. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Darius doesn't count as a roster spot.
     
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    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    How much longer do we need to carry this bum on the roster? :devilwink:
     
  19. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Well that stinks. So, we not only have to pay him his $9 million and have it count against the cap, we have to add in another rookie min cap hold because he doesn't count as a roster spot.

    BNM
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Don't worry. I'm an expiring contract and will probably be traded after July 1. I'd love to finish my career in Portland, but I understand this is a business and the Blazer have to do what's best for the team.

    BNM
     

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