Merged: Quick on 1080 / Gerald Wallace and David Lee speculation

Hmm.. Nicolas did have a pretty good March, shooting-wise. But those December through February percentages are pretty brutal.
His jumper just wasn't reliable enough, which is partly why he didn't play all that much after his six-minute shifts in the first and third quarters. I'm sure he'll be a lot better in his career. If he gets around his FG% around 45-48 and his 3PT% around 40-42, he'd be quite the hell of a player.

 

Re: David Lee

Fine. But, there's still no way Webby's dealt, not with his value in the tank. That's not how I predict Pritch would manage him.

 

Re: David Lee

I agree, unless it's for a clear upgrade like Wallace or Harris or something. I am just trying to have fun with htis whole KP is sitting on his ass doing nothing stuff

 

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

Didn't Toronto renounce Delfino last Friday (7/3) to clear cap space for Hedo. If so, that would indicate we can still renounce Koponen and/or Freeland if we need a little extra cap space to facilitate a deal.

BNM

 

Um... He's okay... I don't think he fits with our style. He's sort of a rich man's Renaldo Balkman: high on hustle but not exactly high BBall IQ. There's a reason Larry Brown has wanted to trade him since the moment he arrived. He's the Anti-Hedo. I CERTAINLY wouldn't give up EITHER Rudy or Batum for him. If I knew Webster would fully recover, I'd even think twice about him because we need a great shooter.

Didn't he play a lot of PF for the Bobcats? I think because he didn't have the ball skills to play SF. Like another non-fave of mine, Shawn Marion.

 

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

Talking of Delfino: he looked great playing for Argentina in the Olympics (after Manu went down) - certainly better than he ever looked for the Pistons. They even had him playing PG.

 

I guess my only real question is this - why do/would the Bobcats want to part with Wallace? Not Brown's "guy" or what?

 

Crash is completely different from Hedo, yes, but his impact is just as great if not greater. I believe the real reason Hedo was sought after for wasn't because he was the supreme available player, but because he could be had without giving up any assets other than salary. Now, I think we're faced with having to focus lop-sided trades and giving up more assets than we originally planned.

With this addition we don't get the playmaking of Hedo, but we do improve the team in three other areas. Offensive consistency from the small forward spot, perimeter defense, and another offensive weapon to ease Brandon and LaMarcus's load. We add all this without giving up rebounding, defense, or offensive efficiency.

I'd still like to add another layer of perimeter defense, especially to contend with all those pesky 1s out there. Sandwiching in Roy with Wallace and Hinrich would be perfect IMO.

 

I guess they could try and make a run at the 2010 FA market? That's really the only thing I can think of.

 

I wouldn't trade Batum for Gerald Wallace, nor would I trade Rudy...

Przybilla, if POR could ink David Lee first, I would certainly do...Travis Outlaw, or Martell Webster or both, I would do...

What about POR signing David Lee for the max amount (or close to it) that they have (to discourage NY) and then trading him to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace and change? Could they do that?

 

Charlotte's paying out $65M in salary. That's including Felton signed at around $5M, which is probably about right. They're approaching the luxury tax area as it is, but I'm sure they'd much prefer to be at or below the salary cap. They were one of the rumored teams to be hurting for money. If they could replace Wallace with say Fernandez they'd not only drop to a more manageable operating expense, but the next year, they'd be under the salary cap and have money to spend in free agency.

 

Quick has updated the speculation and is now saying that the Bobcats are not entertaining offers for Gerald Wallace. Larry Brown sees him as the center piece of the team.

 

That makes sense. Wallace is exactly the kind of player Brown would like. I figured that for Wallace to be on the block it would have to be because Charlotte desperately needed to dump salary. No such luck, I guess.

 

He also speculated that KP may try and go back and get Devin Harris, but that was total speculation and only based on knowing KP is a Devin Harris fan. He's heard no rumors of it happening, just total speculation and guessing on his part.

Just wanted to make it clear before people get all bent out of shape about Quick again.

 

Quick is what you get if you take one of the posters here who love to build hypothetical trades and give him/her a media outlet.

 

Before Gerald Wallace was a well known player, he was picking up scraps in Sactown. At age 22 he packed his bags and headed to Charlotte, where he has almost started in every game he has played. Let's look at Wallace's first year as a starter, compared to Nic's. Focus on the minutes played

Totals

Code:

Rk           Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG FGA  FG% 3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF PTS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 161 361 .446 62 168 .369  42  52 .808  84 136 220  74  50  40  50 139 426
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 68 2147 286 637 .449 17  62 .274 191 289 .661 118 268 386 137 117  91 159 182 780

Per Game

Code:

Rk           Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 18.4 2.0 4.6 .446 0.8 2.1 .369 0.5 0.7 .808 1.1 1.7 2.8 0.9 0.6 0.5 0.6 1.8  5.4
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 68 30.7 4.1 9.1 .449 0.2 0.9 .274 2.7 4.1 .661 1.7 3.8 5.5 2.0 1.7 1.3 2.3 2.6 11.1

Advanced

Code:

Rk           Player  Season Age  G   MP  PER  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg  OWS DWS  WS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 1454 12.9 .555 .532  7.0 11.8  9.4  7.8  1.9  2.2 11.5 14.0  117  107  2.0 1.6 3.5
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 2147 14.1 .510 .462  6.0 15.1 10.3 10.4  2.8  3.2 17.2 19.1   97  104 -0.2 2.7 2.5

 

Fixed

 

I'm not sure I get your point. Wallace was two years older, and played 50% more minutes per game. Exactly how do you compare these numbers and what do they show? The only clear thing I see is that Wallace goes to he line a lot more, but shoots much poorer percentages from 3pt and FT, and turns the ball over a lot more.

 

Re: David Lee

Factor in Nate Robinson into a NY deal with Lee - and I think we have something!


Nate R. / Bayless / Mills
Roy / Rudy (and yes, at times run with Roy/Rudy as 1 & 2)
Wallace/Batum/Webs
LMA/Pendergraph
Oden/Lee

nice group.