Shannon Brown agrees to 2 years, 4.2 million with the Lakers.

Discussion in 'Los Angeles Lakers' started by huevonkiller, Jul 6, 2009.

  1. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Well, LO stepped up in the playoffs against Phoenix as well, and in the 03/04 season with the Heat. None were contract years.

    And I already responded to Ron replacing LO. Check post #70.

    Funny because I've never been a huge LO fan, yet here I am defending him.
     
  2. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    Trevor's production? Bynum can only play better than he did this year. Fisher, Shannon at the 1? We can get that back easily. Hell if Sasha shoots over 21% from the three point line that's another upgrade. :]
     
  3. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    In the same line of thought, San Antonio gets Manu back, and allstar talent, who will surely be better than last year, obviously. They get a player who can potentially put up 20 a night in Richard Jefferson basically for free. And they're about to sign a veteran free agent who can put up a double double each night.

    Boston, the same team that took the Orlando Magic to 7 games, gets allstar DPOY KG back, along with Rasheed Wallace, for free.

    Losing LO would be a major blow if we cannot find a suitable replacement. That's all I'm trying to say. I don't know why that's hard to understand.
     
  4. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    Then hypothetically:

    Ron + Drew healthy = ? See what I mean? If Drew is healthy and we have Ron, it doesn't matter what the West does. You're basing this off Bynum's injury history solely and LO's importance. LO was not needed in various series. LO is a role player, Bynum and actual improvement at the 1 can easily account for that.
     
  5. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    LO is not needed if Drew is healthy and plays at a high level. When was the last time Drew was healthy? How long has Drew played at a high level? For a couple of weeks each season? For the past two years, he's had more average/poor games than he has good/allstar games. Drew has yet to show us he can stay healthy, nor has he ever shown he has the stamina to withstand an 82 game season plus postseason, along with playing at a high level, which is why, once again, I'm not keen on banking the season on him. All he's shown me so far is potential.

    Just a question for you, are you comfortable with Josh Powell and DJ Mbenga, or whatever scrub we're going to sign with the LLE or vet's minimum as the primary backups for Pau/Drew? Because if the answer is no, then that's all I'm arguing.
     
  6. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    Didn't you just say Ron replaces LO? We don't need Bynum to be at Odom's level, and we got not much out of our Point guard spot and won it all.
    Would we be at the same level? Yes because it is not just about Power Forwards and centers. We have other means to replace LO, as you have already admitted. :]
     
  7. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2003
    Messages:
    42,357
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Temecula
    You mean he stepped up against Phoenix, but failed to step up in the most important game 7?
     
  8. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2003
    Messages:
    42,357
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Temecula
    And you just said if Manu stays healthy?

    Manu's ankle is more fucked than Drew's knee. The chances of him getting hurt have to be higher than Drew. Wasn't he only supposed to miss 2-3 weeks, but ended up missing the rest of the season? The same ankle that was hurt in last year's playoffs, too.

    Duncan is getting old, too. Gasol plays well against him. Richard Jefferson, doesn't he have injury problems, too? I'm not worried about him at all. Artest will be able to keep him at bay.
     
  9. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Talent wise Ron replaces LO. But they play different positions. I know Ron can play PF at times, but I don't want to see him going up against guys KG/Rasheed defensively.

    We're still weak up front. Do you think Drew can replace Trevor's production in the postseason? Because he hasn't shown me anything to make me believe he can. He has stay healthy for once and play well for more than a couple of games in the season.

    And once again, are you comfortable with JP/DJ? Because based off your posts and comments towards JP, I already know the answer. The answer is no. So in other words, you agree with me that we'll need an upgrade over the two if LO leaves.
     
  10. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    Before last year, Trevor missed 110 games in three years. He's not worth more than the MLE, I don't know how anyone can say they know Bynum can't play at his level. And you're not thinking about Shannon, or not being in a slump at point guard.

    Once again, I'm not even sure we needed LO in the playoffs this year.
     
  11. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2003
    Messages:
    42,357
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Temecula
    I wouldn't mind Ron defending KG. KG is weak. Ron is strong enough to back him out of the post and quick enough to handle him on the perimeter. The only advantage KG would have is height, which is a legit advantage.

    And Trevor's post season run was nice, but I don't think it is indicative of what kind of player he is. The put up stats for 20 something games. I'll take his regular season stats, over 82 games, as his production than his post season stats.

    Just because he had a good post season run doesn't mean shit. Artest shot horribly in the post season, you think he'll shoot horribly all year?
     
  12. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2003
    Messages:
    42,357
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Temecula
    And Phil never allowed Bynum to get a groove going in the playoffs. Utah was more worried about Bynum than Drew and they threw different looks at him. He struggled initially and that is why Odom was thrown in there. Utah game planned for Bynum, not Odom. I think that says a lot.
     
  13. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Drew has been given major minutes and role for two years. Two years he had serious injuries that kept him out for a long stretch of time. Not to mention he also had injury issues in high school. Again, he needs to show me he can stay healthy for once before I start proclaiming he can be.

    We can match up with them, I never said we couldn't. But if you look at the talent they have on that team, we're not much better off. I'm sure if we matched up with them in a seven game we'd be favorites, but it would still be a hard fought series. Getting Richard Jefferson gives them another guy who can go off for 20 a night, it gives them more offense, something they've lacked in the past. Just frees up Duncan/Manu/Parker even more.
     
  14. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    You don't know Drew can play at a certain level because he never proved he can. And I'm not talking about bringing Trevor back either, I'm talking about replacing Trevor's production that he gave us in the postseason. Certainly not something you'd find with LLE.

    Needed LO as in, needing him in place of JP? Because if you mean replacing him with someone like McDyess, then yeah, maybe your right. Replacing him with Josh Powell? Who knows. All I know is we wouldn't have won a ring if we had JP playing LO's minutes.
     
  15. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    So what's the excuse for Houston, Denver, and Orlando? Because quite frankly, he didn't look good at all during the postseason. He could've gotten in a groove going up against 6-6 Chuck Hayes, but didn't. That shows that he wasn't ready because he wasn't completely healthy, again, one of my concerns.
     
  16. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    Drew can't play at Trevor's level? Yeah I think he can pretty easily, he doesn't have to even play at LO's level to match Ariza. And even if he didn't, if we get something else out of our backcourt this time it would make up for Trevor. Fisher was getting torched defensively and not playing to his capabilities.

    If Manu stays healthy, I'll assume Bynum will too. Our team is more likely to get homecourt imo.
     
  17. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Height is a problem, isn't it?

    Trevor's production was important in the regular season as well, but it doesn't matter because his play in the postseason is ultimately what helped us win the championship. You can't take that away from him or completely negate that when looking at production.

    Ron shot horribly in the post season as the #1 option. He's going to be the #1 option here?
     
  18. Lost One

    Lost One ...

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Can Drew play at Trevor's level, the way he played in the postseason? Consistently? Because ultimately that's what we'll need from him, because we have zero big man depth behind him. It's also hard to judge these things because Drew picks up fouls in bunches, while Trevor doesn't. Drew on the bench with DJ or JP in does not equal Trevor's production, not even half. That's my whole point. We have no depth behind him.

    If Bynum stays healthy, he has yet to prove to me he can play at a high level throughout the year. He's only done it in spurts before getting injured. Exactly why I'm not banking the season on him.
     
  19. Mamba

    Mamba The King is Back Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2003
    Messages:
    42,357
    Likes Received:
    502
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Temecula
    Actually, he said his knee was never 100%. So there is no excuse for Denver, Houston, and Orlando. In fact, his defense on Howard, when he was allowed to play, wasn't too shabby.

    And you're completely overreacting to Ariza's production. Why did he see that production? Because of Kobe. He had wide open looks because of Kobe and Pau. Ariza won't put up those numbers in Houston. In fact, I think he'll epically fail in Houston. There is a reason why he was had for Brian Cook--because he has been horrible every year of his career except one...figures, his contract year.
     
  20. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    You're still overstating LO's importance to this team, our team was so good he got hurt against Houston/Denver and we still won. We blew out the Magic in two games and still had two games left in LA to finish them. We won game 2 but Lewis went off for 34 points. I love LO but we're still in the mix last year, and this is without Ron or Shannon being more involved.
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2009

Share This Page