BRoy interview coming up live (MERGED)

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  1. handiman

    handiman Well-Known Member

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    Precious few players are worth the max, in my opinion. Chris Paul and Derron Williams are probably the two who's value Roy is most closely connected with. They got maxed out, and look at the state of their teams now... Both franchises are desperate to shed salary. Now, this isn't necessarily the fault of Paul/Williams, but if you don't bet right on maxing players, I do believe you are more likely to end up in salary hell than in the NBA Finals.

    LeBron, Kobe, and Wade, maybe Dwight Howard, are probably the only players in the league currently deserving of max contracts. Everyone else should be pro-rated down based on what percentage of that top level they can produce in terms of stats, selling tickets, moving merchandise, securing TV time, etc. The idea that the cornerstone of every team is a max player is a broken model.
     
  2. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Your comments suggested it was a possibility. "Might" means possible, not certain. Had I said that you said Roy was going to hold out, I think you'd have me on grounds of building a strawman.
     
  3. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Nice. Congrats on having 20:20 hindsight. Now, if you could only see into the future as well as you see into the past you could tell us mere mortals how this is all going to end.

    BNM
     
  4. PapaG

    PapaG Banned User BANNED

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    I'm trying to figure out why you're posting to me in regards to an interview you couldn't even be troubled to listen to today.

    Do you agree that offering 4 years is a good start to the Roy negotiations, because listening to Brandon, he clearly is confused at what is going on right now.
     
  5. Ed O

    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    Did Bosh recruit Hedo?

    I think that Roy's grasping at straws because, to be perfectly honest, he's got very little to bargain with. He HAS to try to get public opinion against the Blazers if he wants to shake things up, and by NOT helping the Blazers sign free agents (if he really thinks recruiting would help and not recruiting would harm the team's chances) then he's potentially clearing more money for his own contract down the road.

    I'm sure Roy's frustrated because he's impotent in this situation. All he can do is talk and posture and hope that he gets his money.

    Next summer, when even the magnificent class of 2010 is not seeing much movement or many big contracts, he might be much more willing to sign a max four year deal... if the team is willing to do so.

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    That's not my model. Randolph was once Portland's cornerstone, and I didn't think he was worth a max deal. Roy is a top-ten player in the league, in my opinion. I do think the ten best players (at least...that isn't a hard-and-fast cut-off) are worth max deals.

    That said, I'm not particularly bothered by the Blazers running this like a business and negotiating. If Roy takes less, that may be helpful. I do think he deserves the max, though.
     
  7. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I'm not personally attacking the posters who thought the story was false.

    It just goes to show people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of where the stories are coming from.
     
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    PapaG Banned User BANNED

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    In other words, they'll treat players that may not play for the franchise better than they'll treat their franchise player. 4 years <<< 5 years. Way to go, KP! Pritchslapped!
     
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    Why start at 4 years. I still want to hear an answer.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I didn't post to you. I asked nobody in particular what the particularly troublesome quote from Roy was. You got angry that I didn't listen to the quote and posted to me.

    I'd probably have just maxed him out and been done with it, but then, I'm not an executive who negotiates multi-million dollar deals. I don't see a bit of problem with negotiating in good faith when so many millions of dollars are at stake.
     
  11. alex42083

    alex42083 Thanks Brandon

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    And yet if you don't pay your players to stay, no one is going to pay money to go to games or buy the merchandise, and you're going to lose even more money.
    Despite how bad of a situation New Orleans is in now, they won't give up CP3. He's their draw and the only reason why people go and spend money on the Hornets.
     
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    Why is that a disgrace? If he's not what Portland thought he would be, is he going to give any money back? Of course not. Risk is always an issue for major investments and negotiating the value of that risk isn't a disgrace at all.
     
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    Well, I see a problem when the primary reason the team is selling out games, winning games, making the playoffs, and being represented on All-NBA teams has to text local radio hosts AFTER an interview to stress how "frustrated and disappointed" he is with what is going on right now. I'm not sold that there are "good faith" negotiations ensuing at this point.
     
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    Risk management. If Roy gets injured or regresses, it's one less year of paying him big money.
     
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    Why aren't you sold that the negotiations are in good faith? Frustration hardly means the negotiations are being done in ill faith. It just means Roy hasn't received exactly what he wanted yet.
     
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    No, not in other words at all.

    The Blazers will pay what it takes to make their team good. When a player has the power, they will do everything they can to make a fair deal work, and when the team has the power they will do everything they can to make a fair deal work... but inherent in what is "fair" is the relative strengths of each side's position.

    Hedo and all other unrestricted free agents are under a different set of rules than a player entering his fourth NBA season on a first round rookie scale contract. That's just the way it is.

    Ed O.
     
  17. yakbladder

    yakbladder Grunt Third Class

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    Do I need to order some Costco sized Thorazine for everyone? Let's try and remember that as in real life:

    A) We really only know one side of the story.
    B) We'll probably never be privy to all of the details of what's going on (including what Roy's agent is saying to KP)
    C) If something seems so blatantly obvious to us as to be wrong, then my guess is that KP also views it as blatantly wrong and/or there is something, someone, some evil world organization preventing him from correcting this wrong.
     
  18. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    alex42083 Thanks Brandon

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    I don't think he needs public opinion on his side. Most of us are on his side anyway, and have been since the news came out with Quick's article.
    No fans pay to watch Kevin Pritchard manage our team, we watch to see Brandon play the game of basketball. If it was between keeping our front office around or Brandon around... I think the choice is obvious.
     
  20. SodaPopinski

    SodaPopinski Tigers love pepper

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    Brandon is not a mutual fund. He's not a piece of real estate. His willingness to display loyalty to the organization and give everything he can is partially tied to how we reward him for what he's done for the organization. Treating him like a line-item on a balance sheet is disgusting.
     

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