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  1. Ed O

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    Intent is irrelevant.

    Nobody cares WHY someone bought a house for $200,000. They only care that they bought a house for $200,000. It doesn't matter that the buyer would have been willing to pay $220,000 and the owner had to kill herself because she got $7,000 less than she needed.

    The numbers have been established. Roy can ONLY point (as far as I can tell; I'd love to see more examples) to one example in recent NBA history where a player has received an extension of five years max dollars coming off of a rookie contract.

    If people think he's SO CLEARLY worth that, then pleased give me evidence that he is. Show me more players that have received that many years maxed out as an extension.

    The Blazers don't (or shouldn't) have to worry about whether the Hornets WANTED to pay more for Chris Paul, and they shouldn't (or don't) have to care about Dwyane Wade giving the Heat a "break". They can point to those contracts and the current economic crisis and the impending CBA war and say, with an entirely straight face, that he's getting the same extension that other magnificent players did.

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    Still waiting...

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    Of course the Blazers have to give "permission" for Roy to leave. This only shows your own view on how you would treat Roy in this situation, or any other star attraction for that matter. This also doesn't mean that Roy would actually play for the Blazers.

    Waiting for the statement next week...
     
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    And he can say those players only wanted to commit to their teams for 3/4 years before coming a UFA, while he wants to commit for five years.

    Way to piss off your talent, Ed.
     
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    Do you think that he is doing the Blazers a FAVOR?

    Really?

    It's clear that he wants the fifth year as security. Whether it's because he's especially risk averse or because he believes that the CBA is a wildcard that might hose him doesn't really matter.

    He WANTS the fifth year. The Blazers don't want to give it to him. How can he say that he knows what's better for the team than they do?

    Again: Roy is not stupid. He wouldn't say that because it is, on its face, ludicrous.

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    Ah. Because I am pretty sure that I made a statement and then you said it was "simply wrong".

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    It doesn't matter what I think. It's what Roy thinks.
     
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    Do you think he's stupid?

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    Wheels said today that he had inside info about the negotiations that he couldn't discuss and that these issues are not out in public. You know it has to do with injuries.
     
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    do you?

    I've been laughing a lot at your posts, but bringing race into it is a topper... you seem very desperate

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    Wow! That's quite the thread. I did listen to the interview. He didn't sound upset to me. Not one bit. He sounded in good spirits, and he sounded as if he clearly understands the business aspect of negotiating a new contract. I got no sense he was taking the negotiations as some personal or professional affront. I'm confident he will get a contract similar to those of other players of his caliber. Why wouldn't he?
     
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    I hope not. I'd rather have it be hardball negotiations than that there's something wrong with Roy...

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    Haven't had time to read the entire thread, so sorry if this has already been brought up. Regarding the reasoning behind the 4 year offer to Roy and now Millsap...

    I think it's at least partially due (if not largely due) to the looming expiration of the CBA in 2011 (I'm certain the NBA will let it expire instead of extending it another year). The team may be trying to limit their financial responsibilities beyond that point due to the uncertainty of what will follow. I think in the current economic climate, Stern will be looking for major concessions and a work stoppage seems pretty likely. In the end, I think longterm gauranteed contracts will be a major issue, and I think Stern will try to go the NFL route. I have no idea what'll happen, and I'm sure nobody really does.

    So with the salary cap falling substantially, the economic climate, the looming CBA, and in Roy's case a history of injury sprinkled in, I think there should be major concerns to maxing anyone out right now for 5 years, although I think if anyone deserves it it's Roy. And, keep in mind that Roy's negotiations will also have a big impact on Aldridge's negotiations, and anyone else. It's easy to get caught up in the importance of these two guys, but it's asking a lot of any team to just throw over $140 million at two guys right now (due to the reasons I listed). I've been amazed at some of the contracts other teams have given inferior players this offseason, and I'm sure that plays into the public perception that the Blazers are acting cheap. I'm not amazed that the Blazers appear at least a little reluctant to follow suite, unless they feel they have to (as I'm guessing was the case with their offer to Hedo).

    But I don't think it's time to panic and start believing the Blazers are going to make Roy or Aldridge mad enough to want to leave. Comments by agents are going to be a little exaggerated, for obvious reasons, but that doesn't erase all the goodwill that's been built up between Roy, Aldridge, and Portland. I think they'll both end up very happy and financial set, and I doubt it'll take much longer. I just don't think it's as simple as throwing max deals at them, even though it feels like that's what the Blazers should do at first glance.
     
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    Do you think Cleveland and Miami wish they had LBJ and Wade, respectively, locked up for 3 more years instead of 1 more year? Or did they want to have them both be UFA's next summer?
     
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    As I pointed out, I made an absurd post to counter Ed's own absurd posts about James and Wade being at all relevant to Roy's contract situation.

    I laugh at your posts all of the time, though, so I'm glad we can give each other some entertainment. :)
     
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    Repped. Good post. And you should grab a drink and a cigar and read the thread. It's a hoot.
     
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    Thanks for the post, KP. Appreciate the input!
     
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    Was it that obvious? Damn. :lol:
     
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    He also texted Wheeler personally after the interview to say he was "frustrated and disappointed", and that he'd be putting out a formal statement next week.

    Yuck it up!!!
     
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    No, I don't know that. Do you have a source?
     
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