BRoy interview coming up live (MERGED)

"Frustrated and disappointed" does not necessarily equal "Angry and fed up." The printed words are less than 80% of the information being conveyed. Without knowing the context, vocal intonations and body language, it seems a leap of negative faith to assume the worst possible scenario.

 

I'm not assuming anything, but the fact is those words are out there in the public domain. They didn't need to be, so I'll comment on them as I see fit and post about hypotheticals that could ensue.

 

Ed, you're spot on. Repped.

 

The fact that it's gotten this far and our franchise player is "frustrated" and "disappointed" is the thing that's worrisome to me. And if it was up to KP, I'm sure he'd have him signed so it's gotta be someone above him who has no real attachment to the Blazers, who has decided to play hard ball with the guy who has got the franchise back on the track on the court and financially.

 

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And I don't think there is anything wrong with being upset at how Roy is being lowballed on years. You don't live here, so you don't know personally what he means to this community and what he had done for this city. It adds to your objectivity, but in this instance, subjectivity plays a large role. Hence some emotional reactions, and arguing with a legitimate opinion by trying to delegitimize it seems unproductive.

 

This is all Barack Obama's fault. I knew it.

 

It is my understanding that the actual max contract value on this extension isn't actually set until next summer's salary cap is set. Meaning there is no financial advantage over an agreement to extend now over waiting until next summer to either sign or match a max deal. Perhaps I am wrong about that, though. As for the increases on the cap, if you're right, then it is obvious that the team is dicking Roy over for a few million dollars on a 4 year vs. 5 year offer, and Roy still would make more money by waiting for a 5 year deal over signing a 4 year extenstion, no matter who offers it.

 

Bargnani's extension set the precedent for this market. Anthony, Wade, etc., have nothing to do with what this rookie class is being offered by their teams. 5 years/$50 for Bargnani. THAT is the market, and THAT is the precedent that is applicable to both Roy and LMA.

 

You are correct sir. It is "What have you done for me lately." The latest if Bargiani setting the pace because he was the first extension signed this year. This just goes to show how if one dumb ass GM fucks it up, it screws over the rest of the league.

 

It's just weird to me that everywhere else, everywhere in Portland that I go and talk to people about this, seems like a no-brainer that Brandon Roy has deserved everything that he should get and a five-year deal.
But here? I feel like I'm in the minority about this, and lotta people think Roy isn't worth it, he's going to have injury problems and management is always right and blah blah blah. Oh well.

 

Frankly, I think at least part of the problem is that I am one of the people advocating signing Roy to at least a 5 year deal. At least one poster here has an automatic contrarian reflex to any strong opinion I hold, and weaker posters at times seem to latch on to that opposing viewpoint. Even my wife heard on Z100 about how Roy is being dicked over on years and wondered what the hell is going on with the Blazers.

 

Oh, I am sure that's what's happening.

 

I think they should sign Roy to 5 years (and feel lucky that he is asking for 5). If it was only 4 years, the economy could turn, and so could the max contract. Face it, if Roy breaks down, this team isn't going anywhere either. Might as well go for broke if you are trying to win a championship.

 

What's weird to me is that you keep tossing in posts about what large groups of people on this forum are doing that I can't see even a single person doing.

First it was hordes of people telling other fans what they should care about.

Now it's hordes of people saying Roy isn't worth a max deal.

 

Hordes? Now that's a pretty strong adjective to use there. Where did I say in the other post that a large group of fans were telling others what to feel?
A few people jumped on LittleAlex for getting 'sickened' over the situation, like it was horrible to be feel any emotion about it or as if saying, "Why would you feel anything? Geez. Get over it." And I just stood up for the guy and could sympathize what he was feeling, is that wrong? I think this situation about Roy was the last thing people wanted to hear this summer.

And regarding hordes of people saying Roy isn't worth a max deal, eh.. you're probably right about it not being hordes or 'lots of people' like I said. It's just frustrating to read how we all thought probably a month ago Roy has earned a max deal and this wasn't going to be an issue, and now our team would rather play hard ball with the guy responsible for turning around the franchise, and some people bring up whether Roy can even last five years with his injuries.
I'm just frustrated and want to see something good and positive happen for once this summer for this team. It's nothing personal with anyone here. We all want to see our team do well and get what they want, right?

 

Its easy to sit on the sideline and have an opinion on this when its not your money. Sure, I want Brandon to be here for ten years. But if I had to shell out the money personally I'd want to really think it through given injuries and the economy.

In a round about way, being a season ticket holder, it is my money.

 

Of course, millions of bucks are on the line. But then we were re-assured from KP that when the time came, Paul Allen would open the checkbook and try to keep a contender here if he knew we had something special. There was this whole "Let's go for it!" thing as well.

And we've shown we've been willing to hand out big money to free agents already, so why not Roy? If money was that big of an issue, I'd rather them not go after Millsap for $8-9 mil per, or not try to lure Hedo with $10 mil per.. and use that money to keep Roy and Aldridge here.

 

Sorry, I don't think you put a number on it. To me, it seemed that you were implying that a significant number of people were doing it.

No, and it's not wrong for other people to be surprised that he was "sickened" with no actual information about the negotiations, beyond each side's media remarks. No one was telling him what to feel. They were saying that they felt he was overreacting. Why are you telling other people what they should or shouldn't feel?

Has even one person said he's not worth the max? Ed and I have been the ones you'd probably consider on the "other side" of the debate and I've explicitly said Roy is worth it and Ed has simply said that Roy isn't "automatically entitled" to a max year-max salary deal, free of negotiations...not that Roy isn't worth the max.

I can see that there's a lot of frustration. It surprises me a bit (the intensity over both free agency and Roy extension), but I ascribe it to the "always on" nature of this forum, even when there's no news. Every little thing gets obsessed over, in the absence of actual developments. I don't think the Roy extension is really a big deal as things stand now and I think the overwhelming likelihood is that he's a Blazer for many more years. As for free agency, well, no single team ever has a good chance to make a huge strike, but if Portland gets Millsap, I'd see that as a big win.

Basically, I have a hard time seeing this off-season as a disaster or the team in any kind of crisis. The team has arguably the best roster (counting future, as well) in the league and while the off-season has been short of exciting developments (which is disappointing), it's not that unexpected or disastrous. IMO, anyway.