BRoy interview coming up live (MERGED)

Its gotta be spread around so our liability isn't all in one place or two. They'll get it done. Its all posturing by agents right now.

 

Absolutely spot on. I firmly believe the "Disaster offseason" is a function of the media. Once bored small one sport town commentators try and stir the pot and get some additional attention by making over the top claims you get a guaranteed echo-chamber effect nationally. Let's not forget that Quick and Canzano's employer is barely treading water right now and any attention they can generate is good attention. I've noticed that especially in the past 10 years or so sports writers have become exceptionally bi-polar and over the top. They are either putting people on pedestals or absolutely tearing them down, or more likely, both.

When you look out on national sports commentary you see guys like Colin Cowherd, Jim Rome (sadly a reasonable guy compared to some) and Bill Simmons and they are totally over the top at all times. It's pretty bad when I respect the talent of Bill "I hate Oden's guts" Simmons, but at least he has talent. I mean Quick is reasonable when he keeps his own opinions out of the subject matter and just weaves a story but Canzano is...well...Canzano.

Once Quick and Canzano wrote their pieces it was certain they would be for paid subscription on ESPN insider rumors and equally certain that if nothing else was going on folks like WOJ would pick them up and run. There seem to be some writers with vendetta's (WOJ with KP and Simmons with Oden) and others who just appeal to sensationalism and venom (Canzano and Cowherd). Over all the media echo chamber guarantees that even wingnut writers will be echoed if news is slow.

There are only a few questionable things this summer. One of them to me is the Roy thing just because I think you roll the dice on this guy and give him what he wants, he's special and top 7 PER already in his 3rd year. You pay that guy. On the flip side the near signing of Hedo horrified me as he has albatross contract written all over him. I worry that KP is over playing his hand with Millsap and I don't approve of potentially alienating trade partners by being so heavy handed. I think however, KP and Tom Penn are great for front office guys and we are lucky to have them.

Does anyone have a theory about why the 4 year contracts? Is the Rose Garden contract up in 4 years? Any major FA's that year? I've read the idea about being able to re-tool after a possible strike year 2011. Is there any other reason?

 

haha.. I don't think I've ever told anyone how they should feel. You keep thinking I am, but I'm not.

I think the actual debate is max year-max salary now vs. 4-year max salary vs. match a max offer from another team next summer or whenever that restricted FA period is for him and save some cash.
That's the penny-pinching in my eyes that's going on regarding whether Roy deserves the absolute max. And Brandon just hasn't proven anything to me otherwise that he doesn't deserve it, when he wants to be here. I'm sure something will get done, too, but hearing your franchise player talk about being "frustrated" along with all the other stuff this summer... it wasn't exactly music to the ears and the emotional outbursts were pretty much expected.

The people who think we're in crisis are the ones who sprout off about KP should get fired, which obviously I don't agree with. I don't think anyone would admit the summer being an absolute disaster.. but disappointing? Yes.

 

The salary is set when the contract becomes valid. That is my understanding, regardless of any lower of the cap in future years. Otherwise, Kirilenko wouldn't be getting $17 million/per right now, would he? At least that's what I've heard reported about max extensions signed this off-season. The max figure doesn't lock until next year IIRC.

 

I don't think you are, no. I was using your own words to show that you can phrase any disagreement as "telling people what they should think." I don't think people were telling LittleAlex what to think. They were disagreeing with him and expressing surprise at what he thought.

That seems to be a/the debate in the negotiations between the team and Roy. Is anyone on this forum saying they think that Roy isn't worth a 5 year max deal? I haven't seen anyone say that.

 

We have a producer here who posted that people shouldn't be upset about this situation.

 

In his opinion. Are Producers not allowed to have opinions now?

 

That's my understanding of the CBA (though I could be wrong) and with the projected cap going down by up to 7 million dollars, those max contracts aren't going to be quite what they used to be.

 

I was only pointing out the one instance where somebody tried to dictate the debate based on how they thought other posters should act. He happens to be a producer.

 

Well, in that case, posters are constantly trying to "dictate the debate based on how they thought other posters should act." I thought this was about something harsher like, "Stop having emotion about your favourite team, think how I do!" I haven't seen anything like that. Just saying "I don't think people should consider this a big deal" seems pretty mild to me.

 

Then why did you take alex's post out of context and (jokingly, I'll assume) assign meaning to it? You seem to be posting out of both sides of your keyboard. I certainly feel anybody can feel however they want about the Roy contract talks. I certainly understand that there are opinions that I don't agree with, yet I don't try to devalue their opinion by making a definitive statement about how I feel people should feel about it.

 

I didn't take it out of context. I was disagreeing with him that people were telling others how they should feel in any meaningful way. He was, to me, suggesting that certain people were being victimized in some way. I don't share that perception.

 

Why personalize his opinion versus, say, somebody that you agree with?

 

I don't know what you mean by "personalize." I didn't attack him personally. I argued with him and not someone I agree with because I generally don't argue with people I agree with.

 

No, but you assigned meaning to his post in a personal manner. I found it a bit uncalled for considering alex is merely expressing his opinion within the TOS here.

 

I'm not really following you here. What does "assigned meaning to his post in a personal manner" mean?

 

It means assigning a personal commentary about the post as opposed to addressing the post. A continuation of the semantic jihad, I suppose.

 

Again though, I'm not positive about this because the contract isn't valid until the next cap is set, and I've seen it reported that the actual dollar figure isn't set until that point. Why offer anything at all then near the max if the idea is to save money. Anyhow, I understand your position on the business side of things; I just think that the one player you don't play hardball with is now the first player this team has played hardball with.