One idea I saw today in a Hollinger chat peaked my interest; Pryz and Travis for Prince I'm not sure if Detroit would do it, but it makes more sense for them then a Boozer deal. I'd much rather do that than a Battier deal. Shane would be a nice player but his offense is horrible. He has a PER of ~10. Joel is a great defender and still manages to be above 15. Prince is younger, similar on defense, and far better on offense.
That must be it.....Either that or we had the luxury of putting him in the second unit where he could dominate...we had enough height already in the starting lineup, obviously Nevermind when Bynum went down and Odom was dominating in the starting lineup
Prince's value has to be as low as it's ever been. He was average last season and absolutely brutal in the playoffs (4ppg / 4rpg / +2.5) For that package, we better get something along with Prince.
Odom was a better option. Perhaps he will be the next target if Milsap gets matched. Then Portland would have 3 free agents out there they helped get a pay raise. The Blazers are just so giving.
Your welcome. Sounds like the Lakers are offering him over $8 million a season, more than our "toxic" offer to Millsap. The only other options for Lamar were $5.8 million MLE deals. Looks as though the Lakers are doing a fine job of screwing themselves.
You guys are insane if you think Millsap is a better fit than Odom. I've got nothing against Millsap, but signing him to address our 'banger' needs at the backup 4 is like using an assault rifle to hammer in a thumb tack... Way too few minutes to go around for that rotation to work.
When you factor in Millsap isn't close to his ceiling and a full 6 years younger, we made the right choice.
That's the reason he might be available. If he was a borderline all-star and dominated in the playoffs we wouldn't have a chance at getting him for a couple of backups.
Bob Whitsitt would have gone after Lamar Odom with everything in his arsenal. And it would have been a huge mistake. For everything he brings on the court, he would have gutted the chemistry of this team. I'm glad Kevin Pritchard can see past the talent a player brings to the table.
If Odom was interested in coming to Portland and he didn't have the "baggage" then yeah I'd agree. His play on the court would be a better fit for what we're currently lacking next season. I highly doubt he would have left LA, he would have just used us to get an extra couple million like the baby Bulls got used. Then we'd have even less time to go after free agents/trades.
Maybe if the Millsap thing falls through you can trade Rudy and Joel for Battier and Landry. Houston still has Ariza, T-mac, Chuck Hayes and Scola. T-mac can move between the 2 and 3 as needed as can Ariza and Rudy. I think that trade would make sense for both teams and tighten the rotation further. You then trade Blake/Outlaw/Martell + picks and $ for Hinrich. PG Hinrich/Bayless SG Roy/Bayless/Battier SF Battier/Batum PF Aldridge/Landry/Cunningham C Oden/LMA/Pendergraph Definitely going place with that team.
Joel/Outlaw for Rubio/Cardinal if Rubio can't come over for two years is this reasonable?, what about with Bayless involved (or is that overspending) Pryz is from there, they need a center, and Monty loves Outlaw too. Joel/Outlaw/Bayless for Brooks/Battier/top 5, 1st round pick I kind of feel that we're overspending, but we get some decent youth and speed in our backcourt, and a very smart perimeter defender to help out our defense. They got a center, prospect who can score, and Outlaw to add a scoring punch with Mcgrady out. Pritch stocks up on another pick. Joel/Outlaw/Bayless for Conley/Gasol/Jaric Memphis gets another young scorer in Bayless, bolsters some depth with Outlaw, and gets a vet C to teach Thabeet the ropes rather than two young prospect centers. We get another Spaniard who plays smart, and a real young PG in Conley. Outlaw/Blake for S&T Andre Miller (3 year 22 million?) Philly adds some much needed perimeter shooting, and we get a floor general. Do we demand a lotto protected pick since we're giving up some youth? All of these may be overspending though, I do think that consolidation is necessary should we end up signing Millsap. Do these teams look better balanced than our own though?
Boy, I wonder why? Oh, because he was playing PF. Because Bynum was out. But yeah, that strengthens your argument. And yes, it was nice to have Odom on the bench, I agree. How many minutes did Odom play at SF, though, alongside Bynum and Gasol? Manu comes off the bench as well, but at crunch time, teams generally go with their top players, bench or starters be damned. How many times in those lineups was Odom at SF?
If we get Millsap we all giggle like schoolgirls that we got one of the best young power forwards in the game at a reasonable contract. We then hope KP continues to explore all of his options. If he made NO further moves, I would not be too upset. I think that the team has been unable to get the team closer to a championship in the next year or two this summer and I don't want to see us make a halfhearted effort to be more competitive at the cost of future possibilities. Blake/Bayless Roy/Rudy Batum/Webster/Outlaw Aldridge/Millsap Oden/Joel That's 11 pretty good players. Put some stiffs at the end of the bench and the team is in good shape with MORE talent than last year (with Webster's return and Millsap's addition) and more experience (since everyone is a year older and wiser. Blake will still be Blake and Outlaw is still Outlaw, but both of those guys are still capable of contributing and I'm not in a hurry to get rid of any of them. Ed O.
only the first seems out of whack to me. And that's if you don't include Rubio's possible unwillingness to come over into the equation. I actually don't like most of those trades the 2nd one especially I don't like as I don't think Brooks is what we need. I'd rather have Bayless, similar skills but much stronger and taller.
Couldn't disagree more. My number one priority this offseason is to move Outlaw. Period. That guy has got to go.
So should we just dump him like Sergio? Seems like a waste he can still be a scorer off the bench. No he's not the answer at starting SF but if he doesn't have much trade value he still provides SOME value to the team on the court. I'd love to trade him in a deal for Hinrich/Prince/Gerald Wallace/Sessions/Battier etc but it doesn't sound as though he has enough value.
Agreed. But it would have at least been worthwhile to try... It's not like targeting Hedo worked out well, either. Odom would be a better fit and at a better price than Hedo, so we wouldn't have fallen far behind on the timeline if we had prioritized differently.
