Merged: OT: Jarrett Jack to the Raptors?

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Yuck... Toronto is so bad right now. They're not exactly upgrading their talent, they're just replacing their talent with other equally as talented guys.

 

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half-joking...cut me some slack!

 

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Like Chut said, back-up PG and I like that addition. I still want Daniels on this team, I think he would bring a solid starting SG.

 

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I like Jack - so I think this was a nice addition in the backup position. Does this mean that the Ukic experiment is over?

 

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I hope not because someone on realgm has a hilarious signature of the kid from Ratatouille representing Ukic and it makes me giggle.

 

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Am I the only one who thinks Jack is a good player? Seems like he is still suffering here from being the scapegoat 2 years ago..pretty sad.
Good luck Jarrett.

 

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So, who is your starting SG, then? Are you still banking on getting Delfino back? I like Delfino's energy and defense, but he's not exactly starting SG material (he's only started 6 games in his 4-year NBA career and 4 of those were as a rookie). He'd be great to have to shore up your bench, but I actually think Jack would be a better starting 2 than Delfino. Jack is a better shooter and a better passer.

The problem is adding both Jack and Hedo to your starting line-up would making your starting unit very turnover prone (Hedo averaged 2.6 TO/G last season and Jack averaged 2.2 - which is actually an improvement for him given the minutes he played). Adding those two your starters would averaged about 10 TO/G. You'd have kind of a high risk/high reward starting 5 - several guys who can make great passes, but also turn the ball over a lot as a result of trying to force things that aren't there.

Actually, if you can figure out a way to get a starting caliber SG AND get Deflino back AND get Jack, I think a second unit backcourt of Jack and Delfino would be pretty good. Problem is, that would take three transactions. Do you guys have Delfino's Bird Rights? If so, you can sign him with no cap restrictions, but that leaves only the MLA and bi-annual exception to sign both Jack and a starting SG. You MIGHT be able to get one of the two with the MLE, but I don't see getting Jack (Jack is an RFA and Indiana would match) or a decent starting SG for the bi-annual exception.

BNM

 

Re: OT: Jarrett Jack to the Raptors?

No, you aren't.

Jack's sin is that he makes visible mistakes, while Blake makes *invisible* mistakes by being too passive and conservative.

In fairness, JJ is a combo guard who never appeared to mesh well with Roy. Blake is a below average PG - but he *is* a PG, and Roy seems to like playing alongside him.

 

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We have the bird rights to Delfino, so he could be brought in without dipping into our exceptions. There are also rumours that our offer sheet to Jack is backloaded, so that we'd have saved more of our MLE to spend on a SG or SF. I have a feeling we've earmarked our Bi-annual for Nesterovic.

I like Delf as our starter. I think he's versatile enough and a more complete/composed scorer than Jack. It's hard to blame him for not starting in the NBA yet. In Detroit he was stuck behind Billups/Hamilton and in the single season with Toronto, Anthony Parker was a veteran leader firmly entrenched at that spot. If he had stayed with us for more than that year, I think there would've been a strong chance that he usurps AP. The year he was with us, he looked like the soon-to-be successor to Parker.

 

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No, you are not the only one. I like Jack, always did and likely, always will. He is not likely going to be a star -
but he is a useful NBA player that can win you 3-4 games a year when he gets really hot.

If there is one place where I question KP - is the Webster extension - he was wounded, he had 3 sub-par seasons before - and we gave him $5m per? While Jack was sent packing? Yikes.

 

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...kind of like Taureen Green

 

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No. A lot better than that.

Last year, in Indiana, Jack had 6 games of 25 points or more - and they won 5 of them.

For a comparison, in his career, Webster had 2 games of 25 or more points (both of them, surprisingly, against Utah)

 

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I was at the one where Martell scored 24 points in the 3rd quarter. It was absolutely amazing. I'm not sure what it was that lit a fire under him (Roy being out, hatred for Utah, ???), but whatever it was, I'd sure like to see it more often. It wasn't just the 24 pints in the quarter that impressed me, it was his attitude and confidence. He wanted the ball on every possesin, was running off screens like crazy to get open was attacking the paint (the attempted throw down on Jarron Collins was absolutely sick. I don't think any of the shots he made in that quarter even drew iron. It was just swish, swish, swish... Utah tried 3 different defenders on him and none of them could stop him. The only way they could slow him down was to foul him, and them he stepped up to the line and swished the FTs, too. He totally won that game for the Blazers. They trailed at half time, but went into the 4th quarter with a double digit lead after Martell's scoring outburst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVXnJDBtnI

BNM

 

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Yeah, that was an amazing quarter. Unfortunately, it was one of only 2 games in his career he scored 25 points or more. I have no problems with someone giving Jack a $20m/4 years contract - when Webster got basically the same. Heck - If Webster is the reference - Jack might be under-paid.

 

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sour grapes? utah will likely match the milsap offersheet and the blazers will be relegated to years and years of mediocrity. lets go raptors, blazers suck!!!

 

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Were we that transparent?

 

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This assumes Delfino comes back. Didn't he leave because he got more money, and preferred to play in Europe? What makes you think he'll come back to Toronto for less money now?

And, even if he does, he'd be a below average starting SG. I like him much better off the bench. He has a career PER of 12.4 and a career FG% of 0.400. He is, however a good defender - and he's the scary part, if you bring Delfino back s your starting SG, he will be your second best rebounder in your starting unit. Although he's an excellent rebounder for a wing, that says more about your starting front line than it does about Carlos Delfino.

BNM

 

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Yeah right, what do these two sequences of numbers mean to you:

21, 32, 41, 54

47, 41, 33

Sure looks like two teams headed in opposite directions to me. I know you're just kidding, but if I had to peg one of these two teams as destined for years of mediocrity, it would be the second, not the first.

BNM

 

Re: OT: Jarrett Jack to the Raptors?

i would take portland's young talent over BC's frantic approach. however, pritichard has made some questionable moves of late- signing milsap when they are so deep up front with aldridge, oden and prysbilla (sp.) and getting frugal with your franchise player in contract negotiations is tarnishing the blazer brand. and remember- players talk and perception (optics) is huge.