REPORT: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Yeah I'm honestly going to be shocked if we end up with Millsap by the end of the week...
     
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    Oh come on now.
     
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    Jeff McDonald, S.A. Express-News: "A mere 65 seconds after checking into his first NBA summer league game, Spurs rookie DeJuan Blair(notes) hip-checked his way through a pair of defenders, snatched an offensive rebound away from two defenders and double-pumped the ball back into the basket. From his courtside seat at UNLV's Cox Pavilion, New Orleans coach Byron Scott shook his head in amazement. 'That is a man down there,' Scott said, motioning in the direction of the wide-bodied Blair. On the day that the Spurs made him the 37th overall pick in the NBA draft, Blair swore he would make sure every team that had passed on him regretted it. He wasted little time scratching one team off his hit list Sunday. After it, Blair was in too good of a mood to say, 'I told you so.' 'I was just having fun,' Blair said, flashing a quick smile. 'I showed a lot of people what I can do, what they missed out on.
     
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    Are any of you surprised that Blair can play well? I'm not. It was never a question whether he would come in be an impact player, but for how long he can do that for.
     
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    If Memphis continues to screw us exclusively then I see no reason not to rent a Blazer bus and have a horde of us travel on down to explain to Mr. Wallace why the family disapproves of his actions.
     
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    I'm game.
     
  7. Ed O

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    That's a lame reason to pass on him. I'll take a year or two of an impact player than three or four years of practice team fodder.

    I would LIKE to think his defensive inadequacies are the reason the Blazers passed on him three times, but I think they screwed the pooch by taking older, inferior players in the second round.

    Ed O.
     
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    There was more to it, I believe, than just the knee concerns. There was something about his "fit" in Portland or attitude, if I remember right. Maybe it was his work ethic. I don't recall.

    Still, even factoring in only his knees, what makes you think he'd have even one or two impact years? What leads you to believe that either Cunningham or Pendergraph won't provide the same eventual impact?

    I think many of us rely too heavily on statistics. Portland's scouts do, what I think, is a top-notch job of turning over every stone to reveal a complete, or complete-as-possible, picture of a player's fit in Portland, in the league, and in the community.

    They've done a fairly stellar job of it so far. Each draft we "reach" to unexpectedly pick a player/s and low-and-behold, we find hidden gems.

    If our scouts like Cunningham/Pendergraph better than Blair for the present and future, there's some solid reasoning behind it.
     
  9. handiman

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    Who cares? As a minimum wage, non-guaranteed contract, anything he provides is a bonus. He brings exactly what we're hoping to get from Millsap for an additional $8M per year...
     
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    They are not even close to the same type of player. A double-double against Summer League scrubs, and suddenly Blair has Millsap's offensive game, size, and defensive skills.
     
  11. Ed O

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    Well, you just posted, "It was never a question whether he would come in be an impact player"

    How short of a window COULD he have in terms of being an impact player? He just had a couple of very very good seasons in college.

    Because they were mediocre college players. Mediocre college players rarely turn into anything more.

    Let's look at a couple of guys who were second rounders that blossomed in the NBA "out of nowhere": Brandon Bass and Paul Millsap.

    Brandon Bass was the SEC player of the year as a sophomore. Paul Millsap led the nation in rebounding for three straight years.

    Compare that to Cunningham and Pendergraph.

    Cunningham? Most improved Big East player and second team all-Big East.

    Pendergraph? Pac-10 All-Freshman honors in 2005-06, Pac-10 honorable mention honors in 2006-07, third-team All-Pac-10 in 2007-08 and first-team honors in 2008-09. Led the nation in FG% as a senior.

    Sorry... those accomplishments just aren't at the same level of Bass and Millsap IMO.

    I TOTALLY disagree. The Blazers do NOT reach for players, and that's why they succeed. They took Bayless because he dropped. They took Batum after he was widely considered to be a lottery pick previously and then he slipped into the 20's because of some weird report about his heart right before the draft.

    When has Potland "reached" for a player? I can't think of a single one that has actually panned out... Koponen and Freeland might both be considered reaches, but that's it... until this year.

    Or they made a mistake.

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    They are close to the same type of player. Maybe not exact, but as a wide-bodied rebounding machine (on the offensive end, especially), they're quite similar. And it's not "suddenly"--rather, it's another confirmation (against zero disproofs) that he's probably going to be one heckuvan NBA player in the Millsap/Craig Smith/Reggie Evans mold.

    Millsap Combine: 6'6.25, 258#, 7'1 wingspan
    Blair combine: 6'5.25, 277#, 7'2 wingspan.

    Size seems similar. Blair may not have Millsap's defensive skills. But a double-double in 23min against summer league scrubs shows he's still playing the way he was in college, where he was one of the elite rebounders in the last 20 years.
     
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    As did every other team in the league, in that case. Including the Spurs, because if they really believed he was a likely NBA stud, they'd have moved up when they saw him dropping and not merely hoped that this massively undervalued prospect would drop to them in the middle of the second round.

    Had Blair been snapped up soon after Portland took Claver, I'd be more willing to believe that Portland made some baffling error. Considering every team in the league seemed to feel he was not a first round talent, I'm tending to believe that there's more to the story that made every franchise in the league feel he was a poor bet.

    It's worth bearing in mind that the Blazers and every team in the league know what we know: that Blair was a rebounding monster in college and that rebounding translates well. So they all relegated him to the mid-second round despite that.
     
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    I'll take the proven $8M per year stud than the unproven, questionably healthy, cheap college stud.

    We'll see who makes out better.
     
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    I am not claiming he WILL be a stud. I was responding to CC's statement that"It was never a question whether he would come in be an impact player".

    I find it MUCH more likely, though, that he will be than either Pendergraph or Cunningham.

    Teams passing on Blair through the completion of the first round is not a shock in the least. Guaranteed money is a big deal, and I can see why teams would be unwilling to give him multiple guaranteed years.

    In the second round, Blair went at #37... which means that only five teams passed on him (since Portland passed twice).

    We'll see. I have the feeling that most people won't believe that the Blazers have made a mistake until we see the difference in production on the floor. I am more comfortable looking at the body of work of the three players and thinking they erred.

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    Production relative to cost per minutes, of course... And don't forget to take into account Millsap's [negative] impact on getting rid of Joel or playing Aldridge out of position to make room for him.
     
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    I didn't state a duration though. You did.

    I don't know. But, that you have to ask the question is why I'm not wanting to invest money, time, and a roster spot on him.

    I disagree about Cunningham. I think he's going to be a quality reserve, borderline starter in this league. You're selling him way short IMO. The Big East was the toughest conference in college last season. He was not average, even in his own conference, and certainly not in the nation.

    And I counter with Ramon Sessions.

    I was thinking of Freeland, Koponen, Rodriquez, Fernandez, and Batum. To an extent I was thinking of Roy too. The team seems to zag when everyone else zigs. They reach for the unconventional options instead of selecting a more safer route. Ironic that I'd put it in those words, considering a selection of Pendergraph and/or Cunningham appears to be a safer route. But, given Portland's spotless track record in the draft, I'm willing to believe that there was something disturbing about Blair.

    Only thing is they haven't made too many of those. Not to mention, the rest of the league past on him as well until San Antonio's second round selection.
     
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    If healthy, I don't doubt how special Blair could become. If Millsap was just entering the league, there would little reason to discuss this. They're both very comparable. The value of Millsap is that he has the experience and closer to his prime than Blair. Adding Millsap in place of Blair makes us a better team.
     
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    I know. I'm asking you: if you have no doubt he'll be an impact player, how long will he be one?

    A week? A decade? I thought a year or two was rather conservative. I don't see how a player could be considered an "impact" player without having at least one season.

    He was second team Big East. Not an average player, but average for a best player on a team... mediocre in my book, especially for a fourth year senior.

    Yes, he is an exception. There are a couple exceptions, for sure. I think I'd rather avoid trying for exceptions and go for better bets.

    "Spotless track record in the draft"? Are you serious? You know that we just gave away Sergio, right?

    The Blazers have drafted well, in my opinion, because they are willing to take players that others are not. Rudy Fernandez is a guy who slipped because of contract issues... the Blazers snatched him up because he was good value and they were able to wait. Nic Batum slid because of a bogus health report. Bayless slid ... for some reason.

    Other than with Koponen and Freeland, the Blazers NEVER reached for players (and with those guys it makes sense to lock them in and wait and see)... until this year.

    Ed O.
     
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    Millsap is a much better and more varied offensive player than Blair is. To say they are similar players right now is a disservice to Millsap and an overreach on Blair IMO. Perhaps Blair will become a Millsap-like player in the NBA. As it is, for now, he's accomplished nothing in the league.
     

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