OT: Think this might be impacting player negotiations?

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  1. Idog1976

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    Interesting article. I doubt it is having any effect on the FA market this year.
     
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    I think it's logical that it's impacting everything the NBA teams are doing now... even if there's just a 25% chance of it happening and collective bargaining becoming irrelevant, smart teams should be considering the impact for their club.

    I don't know, of course, whether it means players should accumulate players now (since they will be cheaper later and easier to re-sign) or hold off signing them (since contracts will presumably be lower under that sort of regime). Both, I guess, depending on the player.

    Ed O.
     
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    It sure seems like it would.

    Perhaps if I were a lawyer I would be able to understand how the only pro football organization in the US could not be considered to have a monopoly on the sport.

    I am not, so I can't.
     
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    Really interesting article.

    However, I am skeptical that the Supreme Court will find in favor of the NFL. Also, the court can apply all sorts of litmus tests, partial rulings... that take the guts out of the whole thing. What this article was presenting is a very worst case scenario.

    All that to say, I really doubt this is the reason why Brandon is not signed.




    Here's more from Sport's Law Blog:


    Munson on American Needle


    Lester Munson of ESPN has a lengthy column on American Needle v. NFL (see here, here, and here). Among the many law professors he speaks with is our own Barry Law School-bound Marc Edelman.

    I like Munson's stuff. But this piece suffers from a number of weaknesses that plague much popular reporting and conversation on the judicial system. I confess up front that some of this is nitpicking, but it goes to some pet peeves.

    First, the piece makes it sound as if whatever the Court says in this case will be the final word on single-entity status. But the antitrust laws are statutory, so Congress always can undo whatever the Court does. And while such statutory or legislative overrides" are relatively rare (witness the many started-but-failed proposals to overturn Federal Baseball Club), the very characteristics that bring the case so much attention in the Court make it a likely candidate for override, depending on what the Court does. Prediction: If the Court holds that the NFL (and by logical extension, all other professional leagues and probably the BCS) is a single entity for Sherman Act purposes, given the dramatic consequences for players and fans described in the article, Congress will act to undo the decision very quickly and across party lines.

    Now perhaps the judicial-legislative connection is too much legal detail for a MS(S)M piece. But Munson spends a lot of time spinning out the parade of horribles if the Court adopts the single-entity rule: Strikes, $ 300 team jerseys, rigid league-wide salary scales for players and coaches, the end of individual team broadcasts. But those horribles would not happen because Congress could (and I believe would) step-in (put another way, they only happen if Congress does nothing). That was worth mentioning.

    Second, the piece makes what I think is a somewhat lazy move in counting noses (although he cites to "experts," presumably law professors, in doing so): He predicts that Sonia Sotomayor, the Court's newest member once she is confirmed next month, will side with the players, based on her ruling as a district court judge in Silverman v. MLB Player Relations Comm. in 1995, which functionally ended the baseball strike (See Mike's take on the case). This strikes me as silly for a number of reasons. The baseball-strike case had nothing to do with the single-entity rule or the antitrust laws; it was a case under the National Labor Relations Act. Judges are not that result-oriented that we can say that one decision that went against the league under a different statute in a different factual situation is any sort of indicator that she always sides with the players over the leagues. Plus, what about her joining the panel opinion upholding the NFL's age limit in Clarett, which actually might be a closer analogue--at least that case arose under the same law.

    Third, Munson spends three paragraphs giving the resumes of the "all-star team of attorneys" that players' unions have hired to litigate the case before the Supreme Court--all from impressive schools, former Supreme Court clerks, and experienced Supreme Court litigators--to illustrate that there should be no doubt how significant this case is and how seriously the Unions are taking it. So, if it were a case before the Court that the Unions believed was less significant or less serious, they would have hired less experienced or competent attorneys? Come on; the case is before the Supreme Court of the United States, so by definition interested parties and entities will seek out top Supreme Court litigators, most of whom went to top schools, clerked for the Court and/or worked in the Solicitor General's Office, and have experience before the Court. That is true regardless of whether the case is the most signficant antitrust case ever or something more routine. This is an example of a fact that is not remotely newsworthy.

    Again, I recognize that most of this is my personal annoyances that I get to spread to unsuspecting readers because I happen to write on a blog; fifteen years ago, I would have complained about it to my wife or over lunch at work. Still, these details bothered me for the same reason the Sotomayor hearings last week bothered me: If we are going to have a public discussion of law in which we hope to educate the public, let's try to get it right.
     
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    I really doubt that the court will find in favor of the NFL. I really don't see conservatives and liberal judges having much disagreement on this issue. This tends to be more of a big business trying to trample the little mans rights issue.
     
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    I hate when government gets involved in sports. It just doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    So? Remember the recent taking of that really nice community by the sea in NJ? Just so a commercial contractor and some local politicians could line their pockets. The little people got stepped on that day.

    However, that said, I agree that it is unlikely the Supreme Court will view the NFL a single entity unless they define it very narrowly- and then it will have little to no effect.
     
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    Erroneous Subterfuge meh

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    Well if they were to side with the NFL, I could see a mass exodus of NBA players heading overseas, or at least an extended lockout... I think it would completely fuck up all four major American sports.
     
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    Yes, but then Bayless could finally be our starting PG.
     
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    Well, I am. Maybe that's why I can.

    Why should there be a "football" monopoly possible? Football is one sporting entertainment option, just like basketball and baseball and hockey and soccer and any other number of sports. NASCAR. Golf. Tennis. College football, basketball, etc.

    The NFL not only competes with other football leagues but with other sports entirely.

    I can see an argument where courts would look at the landscape of the entertainment/sports world today and not categorize football as something distinct that is capable of punishable monopolistic behavior.

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    I don't think that overseas basketball could pay for a mass exodus of NBA players. Right now Europe has taken, what, ONE American player (Childress) of any consequence?

    While this might have to do with supply (of players being willing to go overseas), I just seriously doubt that the demand is there to pay dozens of American players millions of dollars a year each to play overseas.

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    The NFL already was ruled once to be in violation of anti-trust laws and in fact a monopoly. There is actually a precedent, although it involves a rival league, the finding was against the NFL and its monopolistic practices.

    The USFL won their case, remember? It was the "award" that killed the USFL, not the finding of the suit.
     
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    You remember how much they won? $3.76 (plus attorneys fees, of course).

    The USFL was the side that had appealed... the NFL had little reason to (until the attorneys fees were added).

    The decision was made by a jury, and I don't think that jury trials are considered "precedent" of any magnitude.

    In any case, I would argue that the entertainment landscape has changed in the last 25 years. With the domination of cable television and the internet, the NFL is not merely competing against rival football leagues, but against other sports for fans eyeballs and dollars... as well as broadcast monies and corporate sponsorships.

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