USA Today: Could we be wrong about global warming?

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  1. mobes23

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    Nope. But I also don't claim to be more of an expert than anyone but you, econ boy. That said, I've got a Ph.D. in analytical chemistry and have forgotten more about science than you'll ever know. Put me up against the general population and I can easily hold my own.
     
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    And while I'm linking to Nate Silver, here's his rebuttal to Shooter's Newsweek thing. It's a fun read. And it has graphs! Oh boy!


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    Well, that settles it. I'm "econ boy", and you can't refute the data I've presented, nor the data that Carlin has presented. As I said earlier, if you are a "scientist", then science means nothing at this point in terms of finding answeres. :devilwink:

    [/QUIOTE]Put me up against the general population and I can easily hold my own.[/QUOTE]

    Really? You keep calling me "econ boy" without knowing a thing about me or my degrees. You seem to be struggling with "econ boy", however. Does an Ph. D. in analytical chemistry mean much these days? I thought chemists like controlled settings instead of random data. :)
     
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    While you're at it, why not continue to smear Dr. Alan Carlin? Since you're on the Google and all. Or you could just continue to ignore his (along with others') report that was shelved by Obama's EPA.

    This isn't political though, right?
     
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    Carlin isn't a climate scientist. Why would his report have weight?
     
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    Carlin is a 38 year analyst for the EPA with a BS in Physics from Cal Tech and a Ph. D. in economics from MIT.

    Why not let his report out into the public, since he's paid by the public?
     
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    Why not, indeed? He seems to be asking for it. If you make an idiot of yourself in public, you shouldn't be surprised if someone takes note. If you wanted to spare his sensitive feelings, you shouldn't have brought him into this discussion.

    As has been mentioned several times, the EPA didn't ask for his report, so shelving it isn't particularly unusual. Do you think if I send them a 98-page rant they should publish that too?

    Are you claiming that your interest in the subject is purely scientific?

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    That's an opinion. Have you read his report that he co-authored with EPA scientists? How is he "asking for it" by merely interpreting available data?


    If you were an EPA analyst for 38 years, I'd expect to at least give you the courtesy of a public airing. Have you been an EPA analyst for 38 years, barfo? Has this guy been a waste of money for 38 years, barfo?


    Yes, it is. I've seen nobody refute the data that has been presented the past 10 years. Even the analytical chemist has to resort to cheap shots and ad hominem attacks.

    Was this post really worth you tagging it?
     
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    Why doesn't he just put it on the web, if he wants the public to see it?

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    Because he was paid by the EPA, and he had to have his manager approve it. The manager subsequently suppressed it. Why are you smearing this man, barfo?

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    Nope. I thought you said it wasn't publicly available. I mean, isn't that what you've been complaining about?

    I already told you I've never worked for the EPA. So, in your mind, any 38-year employee at the EPA deserves to have the government publish, at taxpayer expense, whatever he wants?

    Because you don't respond to actual scientific arguments. For example, I pointed out that you were confusing US temperatures with global temperatures. You changed the subject.

    Huh? If I tagged it it was an accident, because I don't actually know how to tag a post.
    Edit: Oh, I see. You meant tag in the sense of signing my name. Whatever.

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    Really? You keep calling me "econ boy" without knowing a thing about me or my degrees. You seem to be struggling with "econ boy", however. Does an Ph. D. in analytical chemistry mean much these days? I thought chemists like controlled settings instead of random data. :)[/QUOTE]

    Oh, I've refuted plenty -- you're just too ignorant to know it. You've had plenty of chances to give your background, but you've only hid behind your B.S. (which sometimes loosely translates to "I was too lazy to learn a language, so I took basic stats and calc for idiots and got my B.S. instead of a B.A.) Really, I dont' need to know your actual major because your understanding of science is clearly lacking. And anyway, econ would be too hard for you if you had to take econometrics. Sociology or P.E. are probably closer to the truth.

    Analytical chemists have a need for controlled settings? A laugher how far you are off on that. Although, it is true we don't like random data -- we generally prefer to have at least some signal. Good boy! You got one right.
     
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    Why are you smearing the man?

    Moreso than your opinion, and at least with a review. Has Carlin been fired yet?



    That was a red herring. My argument is about the CO2 man-made emissions versus temperatures rising.


    barfo likes to smear men who merely gave their entire life to the EPA because they filed a 98 page report that questioned the "science" behing the global warming bulls**t.

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    Oh, I've refuted plenty -- you're just too ignorant to know it. You've had plenty of chances to give your background, but you've only hid behind your B.S. (which sometimes loosely translates to "I was too lazy to learn a language, so I took basic stats and calc for idiots and got my B.S. instead of a B.A.) Really, I dont' need to know your actual major because your understanding of science is clearly lacking. And anyway, econ would be too hard for you if you had to take econometrics. Sociology or P.E. are probably closer to the truth.

    Analytical chemists have a need for controlled settings? A laugher how far you are off on that. Although, it is true we don't like random data -- we generally prefer to have at least some signal. Good boy! You got one right.[/QUOTE]

    Do analytical chemists know how to format a post prior to posting it? The rest is gobbledy gook. Refute Carlin's work, or don't. Stop making me the object of your derision.

    I bolded this because your quote formatted this way.
     
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    That's a fine education. It still doesn't make him a climate scientist.

    As long as it's labeled as an outsider's look at climate science, sure. It shouldn't be marketed as serious climate science, since that would be misleading.
     
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    Al Gore's movie is shown in many classrooms as an educational fact. That's not misleading though, right?

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    Lol. You can keep saying nobody refutes your data over and over again. Doesn't make it any more true the 15th time.

    Cheap shot or calling it like I see it. You know (and we know) you're playing Mr. Science in this thread and that you're in over your head. Call it a day or actually take the time to understand this stuff instead of spouting off like an idiot.
     
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    I just answered that question. Don't you read my posts? If not, you are really missing out, I tell you.

    Moreso than my opinion? Sure... but I'm not asking the EPA to publish my opinion, so that's a pretty silly point to make.

    I have no idea whether he's been fired.

    Your own point was a red herring? Do you even know what red herring means?

    I don't know that I like it, but I certainly don't mind it.

    If it was any other government employee, you'd be saying something like "sucked off the teat of the taxpayers for 38 years".

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    You have to make up my position. Good night.

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