By Making This Deal we lost ...

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  1. Crimson the Cat

    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    our two traded-player exceptions, mid-level salary exception, and the veterans minimum exception, right?
     
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    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    ALL OF IT?

    I sure hope not.
     
  3. SodaPopinski

    SodaPopinski Tigers love pepper

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    We never had the vet's minimum or the mid-level, as you have to be over the cap to get either of those.
     
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    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    Well, there was some confusion in my head about that. That's the way I understood it too. What about those traded-player exceptions. The salary cap holds must have been counting against that $7.7M. I'm thinking we had to renounce that.
     
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    Major mistake, made out of desperation....

    I don't think Miller will improve the team enough to be worth the cost. Could be wrong, but JMHO.

    If it's a done deal (in 24 hrs as reports say) I welcome Miller to our team and wish him the best!
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    I think teams always have the LLE when they are over the cap. The MLE had to be renounced because it ate cap space, but now when the team goes over the cap, I think they can still sign players for the minimum.
     
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    SodaPopinski Tigers love pepper

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    I don't think you can sign players up to the cap and then get the MLE. It's an either/or proposition. You either are under the cap and can use the cap space, or you are over the cap and can use the exception. The loophole to this is that if you are under the cap, you can do a sign-and-trade, taking back a player that eats up your cap space. Then you acquire the mid-level (see: what Toronto did with the Hedo Turkoglu acquisition). But I don't think you can sign free agents with your cap space and then get the MLE after you use up the space.
     
  8. Foulzilla

    Foulzilla No Blood, No Foul.

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    I could be wrong, but here' how I think they work:

    I believe TPE's do not affect the cap in any way, and last until a specified time at which point they expire if not used.

    I don't believe we ever had the MLE, because we had cap space that exceeded the MLE.

    The vet's minimum is an exception that is always available to every team.
     
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    SodaPopinski Tigers love pepper

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    Then why is it called an "exception." If every team gets it, doesn't that sort of contradict the use of the term "exception"?
     
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    Foulzilla No Blood, No Foul.

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    Because it allows you to go over the cap. It's an "exception" to the normal rules restricting the ability to sign players while over the cap.
     
  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Correct.

    Exception to the rule. The rule being "you can't go over the cap to sign players."
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    So sorry... when Foulzilla and I wrote the CBA, we obviously used the wrong term. We'll get right on that.

    Why niggle over the semantics? It is what it is. :cheers:
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I said LLE, not MLE, in terms of what all teams have once they go over the cap..
     
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    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    So, we do have the LLE and our two TPEs. Ok. Thanks all.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Nope. Exceptions count against the cap and must be renounced if you want to use available cap space to sign a player ... unless of course you had so much cap room that you could sign a player without the exception affecting your ability to extend an offer.
     
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    Crimson the Cat Well-Known Member

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    Ok. That's what I thought. We have NO EXCEPTIONS.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I don't think the LLE is ever "gone." It can always be used. Teams under the cap, of course, don't need to use it. Teams over the cap can always sign players for the minimum. If you go over the cap and have only filled 7 roster spots, you don't play the season with 7 players. You can (and must) fill out roster spots at minimum salaries.

    So the LLE is still "available."
     
  18. Денг Гордон

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    Blazers can't use either the MLE or Bi-Annual exceptions this year.
     
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    Yes, both of which are different from the LLE.

    And since the bi-annual exception can only be used once every other year, that's not really a loss. They can use it next year, if they desire.
     
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    ... Other than the LLE. :)
     

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