btw, for those who dont think waterboarding is torture- ask chris hitchens what he thinks now [video=youtube;4LPubUCJv58]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58[/video]
Torture? Mean? Fucked up? Abuse? I would think arguing over that would be like splitting hairs. I think we all know that we probably wouldn't want to volunteer for that exercise. I do wonder if there is anyone on Earth that could go through that and not spill their guts. You would have to be one tough son of a bitch I would think. If a guy admitted that he kidnapped my sister and had her stashed somewhere and she would die if he wouldn't tell us where, I would waterboard the shit out of him. If something is illegal, we shouldn't do it. If a CIA employee breaks the law and stops a terrorist attack by doing so...............I guess Presidential pardons are legal so the law is the law right?
here's the thing- these techniques borrowed from the soviets have produced bad intelligence like u know complete lies. why? because in the words of jesse venture- give me one hour with cheney and ill have him confessing to the sharon tate murder also we need to examine the organizational structure of al queda- its decentralized so if u were sent on a mission to blow up a hotel in sydney, u wouldnt know about any other missions. they arent stupid- they know the sydney bomber is expendable and if he fails, he would no value to the goals of al queda so he has a narrow focus
They've produced bad intelligence? Like you know..complete lies? I'm sure that many suspects do lie while being tortured, however what you've offered up here is pure speculation, no facts, no articles, no sources, just bullshit. Standard operating procedure eh?
there have been actual reports released about the intelligence gathered from these techniques and at best they have produced ambiguous results like i.e. there going to board a plane and duplicate another 9/11 but no specific info like a date. and maybe the bush admin should have taken the intel passed on by jordanian sources about 9/11 a month before the attack more seriously but the bush admin just dragged their feet and did shit all (source: 9/11 commission). as for the techniques- many are based on soviet tactics and condemned by everyone outside of your trailer park in portland
is this supposed to bother me? now, if they actually used a power drill or shot the guy during interrogation, we'd have a problem. but threats? don't see the big deal.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_cia_interrogations i know reading anything other than the bible is forbidden in your household but i suggest u read this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_cia_interrogations im guessing that wasnt the lead story on fox news
Fascinating. Ambiguous? Doesn't seem so. http://media.www.collegian.com/medi...Blow.Up.Several.Aircraft.To.U.s-2193096.shtml British authorities thwart terrorist plot to blow up several aircraft to U.S. Denver, other airports affected by long lines, cancelled flights DANICA KIRKA , Associated Press Writer Issue date: 8/2/06 Section: International LONDON (AP) - British authorities said Thursday they thwarted a terrorist plot to simultaneously blow up several aircraft heading to the U.S. using explosives smuggled in hand luggage, averting what police described as "mass murder on an unimaginable scale." Police arrested 21 people, saying they were confident they captured the main suspects in what U.S. officials said was a plot in its final phases that had all the earmarks of an al-Qaida operation. President Bush called it a "stark reminder" of the continued threat to the United States from extremist Muslims. Officials raised security to its highest level in Britain _ suggesting a terrorist attack might be imminent _ and banned carry-on luggage on all flights. Huge crowds backed up at security barriers at London's Heathrow airport as officials searching for explosives barred nearly every form of liquid outside of baby formula. U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the terrorists planned to use liquid explosives disguised as beverages and other common products and set them off with detonators disguised as electronic devices.
hey denny crane, what was the bush admin doing on 9/10/01 with specific knowledge of an attack provided by jordanian intelligence a month before? nothing!! george tenet, bush, cheney, condi rice, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle and the other incompetent frauds should all be locked up.
ok- then u would be okay with the taliban or some extremist group doing the same to american pow's and totally ignoring the geneva conventions?
I think you need to keep up with current events. I think you missed all the americans being beheaded in publicly released videos by those extremist groups.
so americans use the same methods as ppl who come from societies where u need 3 male witnesses' before a man can be charged with rape?
We could have shot those guys and left them on the battlefield, and good riddance. If we can try to get any intelligence out of them, through whatever means, I'm good with it. It's still ironic that you talk about an ambiguous 9/11 style attack and there clearly was one as you described that was clearly thwarted. Better three guys get waterboarded a couple hundred times each and all those lives saved than the alternative. We're at war with them, not playing pattycake.
at war with dudes who wear sandals and still ride horses onto the battlefield. lets do a little retrospective on 9/11- as aforementioned in the thread, the bush admin neglected their duties as guardians of the ppl by not following up on good intelligence provided the Jordanians. nevertheless, the actual act of terror was committed by dudes brandishing box cutters. plaxico burress packs more heat than the big bad terrorist
