Miller Expects to start

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  1. PapaG

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    I'm excited to see Miller play and am thrilled to have him on the Blazers. Where do you get that I hate him?
     
  2. Erroneous Subterfuge

    Erroneous Subterfuge meh

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    I actually think I understand what you type better than you do. :devilwink:
     
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    Being surrounded by poor talent his whole career=no playoff series won
     
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    Yeah, I noticed. Arguing a point is much easier when you get to choose both sides. :cheers:
     
  5. PapaG

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    Yep, could be.
     
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    I'm sure you don't hate him, but I'm seeing a negative view already. For no reason.
     
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    Well, I don't see it as negative. I see it as an observation, and having people argue against working out in the offseason seems to have put me in a trench that I wasn't supposed to be in.

    Just so I'm clear here, is Miller beyond questioning, but players like Blake and Outlaw are fair game?
     
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    Actually, I don't think he hates him at all. I think he's just saying for all Miller is doing / has done that it hasn't translated into wins. Is that because of crappy teammates? Possibly. Is that because he was doing something wrong / poorly? Possibly, though not likely.

    As to his three point shooting if he wants to stick around I'd suggest he learn how to shoot one. He's getting slower so D will be an issue and eventually it will take a toll on his ability to drive inside. So, yes, I think Miller should be working on SOMETHING to improve his game.

    If that means every day he spends 10 minutes on his sport court at his mansion shooting 3's...fine.

    I also agree that it's a little odd that Blake is so open to criticism. He didn't do poorly in the playoffs at all, IMO, but I guess that's what happens when you don't have an All Star at every position...always something to improve upon / gripe about.
     
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    If Andre doesn't pass Nate's conditioning test, I will happily say that you are welcome to the notion that he's lazy because he didn't keep himself in shape in the offseason. Same with Blake. Same with Outlaw. Same with whoever else doesn't pass.

    I don't particularly agree with the "offseason relax = no playoffs", but I'm not going to bash you for it.

    Maybe it'd make it simpler if I stated what my opinion was: If you show up to camp ready to go, you could backpack China all summer for all I care. If you don't show up for camp ready to go, be prepared for someone to question your choices and professionalism.
     
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    I was under the assumption that there is no conditioning test this year.
     
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    Steve Blake has never won a playoff series. Steve Blake has always worked out hard in the post season. So right now, ideally, Steve Blake would leave the practice facility and sit on his ass, because what he did in the past didn't work for him.
     
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    Found this and thought it was interesting.

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/10/conditioning_test_la_martell_s.html

     
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    Well, if that's your opinion, I won't argue with it.
     
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    I'm using your reasoning here. What someone did in the past didn't help the team, so they should do something different. How does it not apply with Blake? Has he had playoff success? Did I miss that?
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    What led you to make that assumption?
     
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    Oh come on now. That's not my reasoning. Why are you so upset that I pointed out Miller's offseasons and how they relate to the ends of his seasons.

    Unless your point is that not practicing has the same impact on a player's game as practicing does? And again, I'm not even making the claim that Miller taking the offseasons off is the cause of his lack of playoff success. :dunno:
     
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    I read it on this board. Can't remember who posted it, but I had no reason to doubt it based on who posted it. :devilwink:
     
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    I'm not upset at all. You said Miller should be working out, because he hasn't won a playoff series in the past. And that what he was doing wasn't working.
    Now, using YOUR logic, likewise, the results in Blake's career thus far, don't validate that his offseason approach leads to postseason success either. So why should one change up their approach, while another's approach seems to be a good one to you, even though, thus far, they have both had similar success in the post season with their differing approaches?
     
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    I thought I merely pointed out that he had never won a playoff series using that approach. Again, if you're going to argue that not working out is the same as working out, then your "logic" is off-base. No need to apply what you think is my logic to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make.

    Maybe Blake should take a break during the summer. Whatever. I do know as a fan, I feel much better knowing somebody is out trying to improve himself.
     
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    It doesn't bother you that what he's doing has never worked for him in the past? That he's just continuing to do the same thing? Odd that you have a double standard for players, based on, seemingly, what YOU think is the right approach. Since neither have had playoff success.

    Who is saying that working out is the same as not working out? Where has anyone made that argument that those two things are the same thing? I was mentioning that differing offseason approaches have thus far returned the same result. You are annoyed that the one you think is better is not being followed by our new PG. But you seem to want to distance yourself from actually taking a stand about it by making generic statements, and saying well, it hasn't worked in the past. And neither has what Blake has done in the past. Maybe Blake's postseason failures are a result of him working too hard in the offseason, and tiring out once the playoffs hit, who knows?
     

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