This is nonsense. If you look at Sergio's TOV% (% of possessions that ended in a turn-over) - he was 2nd worst in the NBA of all guards that got at least 1000 minutes - the only one worse was Chucky Atkins. Sergio had a turnover% of 24.7 - one out of 4 possessions he had ended in a turn-over - that is just biblical atrociousness. When Jarret Jack had his bad turn-over year before he was traded and everyone was crying how bad he was - his TOV% was 19.9 which is a lot better than 24.7%, Sergio's TOV% last year was 2nd worst on the team (only S-Bo was worse) - and it was hands down the worst of all the regular rotation guys. In comparison - Rudy and his risky moves amounted to only 11% TOV%, Steve Blake - the other PG on the roster was pretty good at 13.6% and Portland's other main ball-handler (Roy) was fantastic at only 9%. Sergio threw away one out of 4 possessions. This is not just bad - this is... yikes... That's a fantasy basketball formula which does not correlate to usage, possessions and the like. It is pretty useless as a statistical tool. If the Blazers were fielding a fantasy team - Sergio would have been a good player to keep, as a real basketball player, not so much. If you use PER which is a much better tool for player efficiency - you will see that Sergio was 10th on the team last year - of the players that got at least 1000 minutes (regular rotation players) - he was last. Sergio's PER of 12.5 is lower than "in the rotation = 13" and "Scrounging for minutes = 11" per the general guidelines of that measure. Yikes. Stockton's PER as a rookie was 13.3 which was higher than Sergio got last year. His 2nd year was 17 (above an average starter level) and his 3rd was 19 - there is just no way to compare the two players - since Stockton was a good scorer - Stockton's career TS% is over 0.6 - while Sergio has never cracked the 0.5 mark... Am I surprised that the guys using fantasy basketball statistics are Sergio's big supporters? No, I am not. As a real to life NBA basketball player... he was just never good in Portland. Good luck to him elsewhere...
So you're assuming he's going to average over 12 assists per game? I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. There is no way Sergio will consistantly (or ever for that matter) record 1000 assists in a season.
Thanks. Here's[\http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2009/03/03/nba_viva_espana_rudy.nba/index.html] a 4-minute video made a week ago about Sergio, through Rudy's eyes. Hokay, that didn't work. You can copy and paste the link.
It's kind of funny that someone was blaming "Nate's system" for making Rodriguez's turnover numbers look worse than they are. In fact, due to the low pace (and low minutes Sergio played), Sergio's turnover numbers look far better than they actually were. Ultimately, Sergio never got enough possessions to rack up a ton of turnovers...but he was turning the ball over like gangbusters in the possessions he did get.
Sergios line so far: minutes: 12, FG: 0-5, 3PT: 0-2 assists: 1, turnovers: 3, 0 rebounds, FTs: 4-4 Why oh why did we let such a future HOFer get away?!?!?!?!!!!
Of course you don't, because you don't understand the game. You think it is statistics, but it's not.
Nope, I watch the games and I know crap when I see it. Like tonight, for example. I just got back from the game and haven't seen a boxscore, yet, but I can tell you this much - Sergio continues to flat out suck. He turned the ball over several times, couldn't make a shot to save his life and was schooled by Miller (especially) and Blake. Different uniform, same player. Anybody who thinks Sergio is suddenly going to become "good" playing in Westphal's system is delusional. If anything, I expect he'll turn the ball over more, shoot just as bad (but more) and abandon all pretense of pretending to attempt to guard someone. If it makes you feel better, I did clap for him when he entered the game and didn't boo him once. It was an amicable parting of ways as far as I'm concerned. He's glad he's gone, and so am I. Win:win. BNM
THANK YOU BOOB-NO-MORE!!!!!!! Maris was trying to argue nobody saw the game lol. You are 100% correct. Sergio was horrible. You could look at the box score and know that. Sergio is complete garbage. I really cant understand why people in this forum still think the guy will ever be anything in this league. SERGIO SUCKS! WAKE UP PEOPLE!
What utter nonsense. Comparing Sergio to Stockton is beyond laughable. You might as well compare Channing Frye to Wilt Chamberlain. Stockton's rookie year he had an AS/TO ratio of of 2.8:1. By his third season he was at 4.1:1. Notice the improvement? Sergio's rookie AST/TO ratio was 2.8:1. By his third season he was at 2.4:1. Notice the lack of improvement? After 3 years in the league, John Stockton had totaled 1695 assists. After 3 years in the league, Sergio has a total of 628 assists - over 1000 less than Stockton. AST/36 minutes for their 1st three seasons: Stockton: 10.0 11.3 13.0 Notice the improvement? Sergio: 9.1 7.4 8.3 Notice the lack of improvement. Forget the 15-foot runners. Sergio can't make a lay-up. True Shooting Percentage (TS%) for their first three seasons: Stockton: 0.548 0.566 0.575 Notice the improvement? Sergio: 0.493 0.423 0.491 Notice the lack of improvement? Stockton started out as a much better shooter than Sergio - and go better. Stockton was up to an amazing 0.645 TS% by his 4th season. He also led the league in assists in his 4th season with 13.8 APG. His AST/36 was 14.3. He had 1128 total assists and an AST/TO of 4.3:1 and a PER of 23.2 Tell you what. You want to bet? How about this, Sergio won't come close to 1000 assists per year this year (or any year). I bet he won't even have half that this season. And if I'm right, will you (both of you) finally admit that Sergio just isn't very good? BNM
Last season Sergio averaged 4.7 turnovers per 48 minutes. Steve Nash had 4.8. You can say that the Suns had more possessions per game than the Blazers, but it still shows that getting a lot of turnovers doesn't disqualify you from being a great guard, if you get the assists to offset that. That's why I talked about the A/TO ratio, and you want to talk only about the TO/possession ratio. You gave no link, so I had to look your stat up. I see the other players on the list all have far more than Sergio's 15 minutes a game (see link below). He's in a system not geared toward his passes, while the others on the list start, so their teammates look for their passes, or else get benched for turnovers when they don't catch passes. That's the plight of the substitute. If he were a starter, his TO per minute or per possession would decrease. Check out how Sergio is matched up against starters on the list. He's at 4.7, which is bad, but I just gave the reasons for 1) the cause and 2) TO/possessions or per minute is less important than A/TO, at which he's good. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stati...=true&season=2009&seasontype=2&avg=48&pos=all Thanks for proving my point. As you demonstrate, Sergio started out well, but failed to improve. As I said earlier, if he had a coach molding the system around him like Frank Layden did for Stockton, Sergio's numbers would go up. (It's not hard--just write Xs and Os for players to get into position to receive and use the passes.) McMillan's odd system of abolishing the fast break due to risk of a turnover is what limited Sergio. It's also why McMillan will never win a championship. He doesn't even have a defense against the fast break (that's why Cleveland and Boston demolished us last year).
Tonight's box score claims that Sergio shot 1-6, if you believe these events during 1 minute of the 4th quarter, when no one was carefully inspecting the play by play. 8:51 Sergio Rodriguez misses a 3-point jump shot from 31 feet out. 64-77 9:00 Rudy Fernandez misses a 3-point jump shot from 27 feet out. 64-77 9:16 Sergio Rodriguez misses a 3-point jump shot from 32 feet out. 64-77 9:42 Travis Outlaw makes a 3-point jump shot from 31 feet out. Steve Blake with the assist. 64-77 http://scoreboards.aol.com/nba/pbp.asp?gamecode=2009100622&home=22&vis=23 It appears that Sergio shot 1-4 and the box score has been jimmied. Probably by a friend of Bayless. Probably those were really Bayless shots.
I was at the game and that play by play is correct. Sergio missed two three pointers in less than a minute.
I'm sure you're onto something there. Rodriguez is an amazing talent, but he has powerful enemies. It's much too dangerous to the world for people (other than you and MARIS) to realize how good Rodriguez is. Thus, a dark and worldwide (the Spanish national team is on it, too) conspiracy to keep the guy down. Obviously. There was a new rule instituted for this game that a member of the opposing team can take shots for your team. But only if those shots are missed and blamed on Rodriguez. Please avoid re-stating information that has been posted and discussed in numerous threads, like that rule change.
Oh, so now we've gone from comparing Sergio to Hall of Famer John Stockton to future Hall of Famer Steve Nash. Nice to see you've lowered your expectations a little. Seriously, the Sergio/Nash comparison is every bit as ridiculous as the Stockton/Sergio comparison. And if you also contribute to your team's success in some other way - like the ability to make a lay-up or wide open jump shot. Let's see. Steve Nash, on the downside of his career, averaged: 22.4 PTS/48 13.9 AST/48 4.8 TOV/48 0.503 FG% 0.439 3FG% 0.933 FT% PER = 19.5 (his lowest in nine years) That makes his AST/TO ratio 2.8:1 - and he's also a valuable scorer with very high shooting percentages from all distances. The up-and-coming Sergio averaged: 14.0 PTS/48 11.2 AST/48 4.7 TOV/48 0.392 FG% 0.325 3FG% 0.792 FT% PER = 12.5 That makes his AST/TO ratio 2.4:1 and he's a horrible shooter - more than 10% lower than Nash from all distances. Liar. I never mentioned TOV% or TO/possession ratio anywhere in my post. You didn't give reasons, you invented excuses for Sergio's exceptionally poor stats. What's next, coming off the bench prevents him from making a lay-up or a wide open jump shot? And, you just disproved your own point. Stockton came off the bench his first three seasons, yet his stats were FAR better than Sergio's - and improved every year. He actually made shots, increased his assists and decreased his turnovers - all while coming off the bench. Liar. You only registered here to be a sock puppet for Maris - just like in the old ESPN days. BNM
Well Joel, you proved my point. I said it was "probably a friend of Bayless" who jimmied the play by play. Better use a different screen name next time.
