5/18, 4 Assists from the "PG" Miller in 38 Minutes

Get over yourself and your man crush on Sergio, Rodger. Sergio is gone and is NOT coming back. You are as worthless to this forum as Sergio was to the Blazers.

Your spelling is empty and ill-informed, that is an "arguement".

Don't even come at me with that last statement, ESPECIALLY if you were not at the game and witnessed how much better of PG Miller is than Blake and Bayless. I have been to 2 of the 3 preseason home games now, same story in both. So who is the one that is ill-informed? Still wanna run off box scores your whole life? How has Sergio's box scores looked down in Sacramento?

 

So, in other words, he's never done it. His career best is 0 TOs in 26 minutes. Yet, people think Miller's 0 TOs (when he was supposedly dominating the ball) is insignificant. BTW, Miller had six games last season where he played at least 33 minutes and had zero TOs - something Sergio has NEVER done, not even once.

So, once again, the answer is NEVER. Miller routinely gets to the line 9 or more times in a game. He did it 12 times last season alone. Sergio's career high is 6 FTA in a game. Miller equaled, or bettered, that 37 times last season.

Hint: the answer once again starts with an N and ends in ever.[/QUOTE]

Miller does all these things in one game, and plays great defense on Chauncy Billups. Yet two posters in this forum want to focus on what a horrible game he had. Makes one wonder what their agenda is. Why would they completely ignore his positive contributions and tear him down because he had an off shooting night (in spite of Blake and Outlaw both shooting worse from the field and not making the other positive contributions from Miller)? Sure seems like a strange way for fans of the team to behave after he led the team to a win.

BNM

 

Same as they would have looked in Portland:

DNP-CD

In the three games he's played, he's averaging as many TOs as assists and is shooting 0.250 FG% and 0.167 3FG%. Somethings never change. So much for the argument that it was Nate who was holding him back and Maris' prediction that he would thrive in Westphal's system. Same old same old.

BNM

 

"Many" of you saw wrong. Would an eventual top-10 guard be rotting away with his butt glued to the bench during preseason on the worst team in the league? If he can't get PT on that team, he won't get it anywhere (in the NBA).

BNM

 

Wow! What an abortion of a thread. We're still talking about that mediocre POS Sergio like he's still our problem ... and the usual suspects are still pumping his jock. Good times.

 

This is nothing. You got it easy. Now if I start talking about Bob Whitsitt, you got problems.

 

Oh I remember your act from the ESPN boards just fine ...

 

You showed up about 3 years ago, I think. You saw the flames occasionally jumping out. You should have been there right before he left, when the arguments were really raging. The board was at war. Simultaneously, all ESPN boards were at war over the Iraqi invasion. Great times. A new moderator company took over a couple of years ago, and an early casualty was Gramps. They deleted all his posts that had the Adidas ad. I took over the game and they banned me a couple of times and deleted a year's worth of the game result posts.

Anyway, you missed out on the action, both before you arrived and after you left.

 

Speaking of acts, you've developed a little arrogance since your ESPN days. When you appeared, your knowledge was obvious to me, and I used to praise you for knowing something. You hadn't developed your present smirking act.

 

One thing that Sergio apologists have yet to fully grasp is how the NBA adapted to Mr. Rodriguez.

There's this little thing in the NBA called scouting. It's really quite useful. Some NBA players actually develop moves that they save specifically for the postseason because of scouting. They don't want their opponents to know everything they have in their repertoire.

Sergio couldn't shoot. He liked to drive and kick. Scouts figured this out. Opponents started to sag off Serg and force him to shoot. They took away his strengths and he never recovered. That's why there was a dropoff from his rookie season.

The sad facts are as follows:

Sergio can't shoot.

Sergio can't play defense.

Sergio can't finish.

He will be out of the league in one or two years, and back playing in Europe. The fact that we can only point to one freakin game in his three years in the league is pretty damn sad if you ask me.

 

You can say that his "great rookie potential" was merely wish-casting by a segment of fans hoping for brighter days. It certainly wasn't a remarkable season in terms of production. Like Telfair, he showed glimpses of impressive play but nothing consistent.

What is it about the NBA that "allowed" Darius Miles to "fail?" What is about the NBA that allowed Tim Thomas or Michael Olowakandi or Kwami Brown to fail? Often times, the player is simply not as talented as he was believed to be as a prospect. Prospects who fail to live up to expectations are not a new thing, it wasn't pioneered or highlighted by Sergio Rodriguez.

The default assumption is that Rodriguez "allowed" it to happen, either by not being talented enough, not suited to the NBA game or not working hard enough to develop in response to the league adjusting to him. Obviously, fans of a player who fails to become a star will allege that he wuz robbed by mismanagement, which is always easy to claim but hard to show compelling evidence of.

It seems to me that it happens to many players, European and non-European. I'm not sure there's any evidence of a systematic persecution of players from overseas.

 

Since you make the ridiculous claim that PT, being a starter vs bench player, and number of years/games played have no bearing on the value of this one stat you are quoting, the turnover per game, try this on for size.

Career average TO's per game:

Blake a very careful 1.43!

Sergio an amazing 1.14!

Bayless a phenomenal 1.06!

Miller a whopping 2.70!

That's right, Andre turns the ball over more often than Sergio and Blake combined!

OMG, he's turned the ball over 2200 times in his career, compared with a combined total of 905 for Blake, Sergio and Bayless!

Thanks, Noob, for pointing out what a ridiculously sloppy ballhandler Miller is. I had no idea until you showed me how to "interpret" stats. I just thought he was an ordinary ballhog, but compared to the guys we've had he may as well be playing for the other team.

 

Hey Maris....

Andre .08 TO, .21 AST per minute net gain of .13
Blake .06 TO, .16 AST per minute net gain .10
Sergio .09 TO, .23 AST per minute net gain .14

 

I've been jaded ... and it's not smirking, it's more like sneering.

 

Yarrrrr!, this board be at war with each other!

 

Same old nonsense. Every year you add a year to your prediction, and every year you're wrong.

Sergio had many great games, and the team was 8-5 with him starting last year despite no Blake to back him up. Bayless was in quite a slump during that stretch and was of little help other than 1 game.

Had Nate ever made an attempt to utilize his talents you'd be praising Sergio for the Championship we won last year.

 

Telfair, Telfair....where have I heard that name recently...?

Oh yeah, he's the guy who ripped our team apart and completely schooled Mr. Miller at both ends a few games back. Ran him out of the building as I recall.

Funny, I remember certain posters claiming he'd be out of the league by now.

 

An extremely painful career-ending injury is what I heard.

Strange road to go down.

 

Congratulations! This is the dumbest post you've ever made. And that, my friend is quite an accomplishment.

But hey, I'll play your stupid little game:

Sergio Rodriguez:
Career Assists = 627
Career TO/36 = 3.3
Career TOV% = 23.2%

Zach Randolph:
Career Assists = 837
Career TO/36 = 2.6
Career TOV% = 12.1%

OMG, Zach Randolph has more assists and turns the ball over far less often than Sergio. Zach Randolph is a better passer and a better ballhandler than Sergio Rodriguez. We had our PG of the future and our stupid coaches played him out of position at power forward.

BTW...

Andre Milller:
Career Assists = 6020
Career TO/36 = 2.8
Career TOV% = 16.4%

So, I guess that makes Andre nearly 10x the passer Sergio is - and he turns the ball over less often, too.

BNM

 

If what you "recall" are fantasies from a single game, your appreciation of Sergio Rodriguez does begin to make sense!

Miles never delivered on expectations, so unless you are contending that Miles was painfully injured when he entered the NBA, I think it was probably something else.