I thought Nate wanted to run more?

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  1. rocketeer

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    why are so many people here obsessed with the idea of running?
     
  2. rocketeer

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    and you really call yourself a blazer fan? no one thinks nate is the reason portland has done well, but he obviously isn't doing a bad overall job. hoping the team you're supposed to be a fan of fails so you can "prove" some point you have about the coach is just ridiculous.
     
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    I hope the man becomes the greatest thing since Greg Poppavich. But I don't think that is going to happen.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I'm not on the Nate-hate wagon -- yet -- but I do see MM's main point (and Fez's & Nate's) that this team is mostly loaded with players who would crush it if they played in a more free flowing offense, and regardless of what Nate was able to do with a young team, there always comes a time when a coach needs to release a little control and let his players dictate the flow of the game through their own ability to read and react, instead of constantly going into set plays. Is that time now? Is the team ready for that yet? I'm not sure, but I have a hunch it's pretty close.

    The real rub, is Nate going to be able to grow as a coach as his team grows, or is he mostly the guy you bring in to help restore order and rebuild -- I don't think anybody knows the answer right now, but if things stagnate at some point I think there's a very real chance Nate decides to move on in the near future or the team will decide to go in a different direction.
     
  5. Ed O

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    I feel like I have to support Mediocre Man in this thread even though I am not a pro-running team guy...

    Wanting to run and thinking Nate WANTS to run are two separate things.

    I want to win, and I don't care if we run or not (although since I have three Blazers on my fantasy team, I could use the increased stats)... but some people around here seem to ACTUALLY think that Nate's willing to let the team run, in spite of years and years of evidence to the contrary.

    Ed O.
     
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    i dont care if we run or not as long as our defense is elite.
     
  7. UKRAINEFAN

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    Sounds like Miller wants a more uptempo style, if so he needs to go into Nate's office and tell him so. And maybe take some other players with him who also want to run.
     
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    I wouldn't say "running" per se, I would say that we are among the league's worst in two of the three most efficient shots in the offense:

    Layups/dunks
    Free throws
    Open Threes

    while relying heavily on the most inefficient shot in basketball, the long two-point jumper. Whether or not we "run" more is irrelevant to me, so long as we get more dunks and free throws. Usually, that comes with running. But if Nate can figure out a way to do it without running, I'm ok with that.
     
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    IMO, The more attention Greg commands, the greater the opportunities of a, b, and c.
     
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    Bingo!

    Oden and Miller both will increase the number of free throws and inside points by themselves. Miller has an excellent post game that I am hoping Portland exploits.

    As for running; no team coached by Nate will run. Period. I don't think there is much correlation between pace and winning percentage. I could be wrong about that, though. It just seems to me that the most successful teams of the last 10 years were fairly slow paced. The Spurs and Detroit being the extreme example.

    I just hope Portland doesn't pass up the occational easy scoring opportunity like they did last year. 10 fast break points a game is where I think they should end up this year.
     
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    Wow. :crazy:

    Also, if the team implodes, it will be Andre Miller's fault, not Nate's. :)
     
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    :lol:

    Repped.
     
  13. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Sorry, I don't have a link, but wasn't there an article published last season the showed the Blazers led the league in scoring coming out of time outs? To me, that says Nate does a good job with "in-game" aspects of the game.

    I don't care if we run or walk - as long as we win.

    BTW, isn't Phoenix supposed to be a running team? The Blazers out scored them 15-6 on fast break points in our final preseason game (and 19-14 the first time we played them). We also outscored Denver 13-5 on fast break points and the Kings 15-2 in the first preseason game. We did get outrun by Utah and the Clippers, and we definitely run more at home than on the road - that could also be a personel issue as we have had several key players sit out at various times during the preseason. In any case, I think we are running more - at least during preseason.

    I don't want this team to run just to appease the Nate-Haters. I'd rather win 89-86 than lose 140-136. I think the team will start to run more as the players get comfortable with each other. I'd like to see them run when the opportunity presents itself - anytime the numbers are in your favor, you should push the ball. But, I don't want to see a D'Antoni or Paul Westhead SSOL type offense. That may be fun to watch during the regular season, but it's ill suited to success in the post season.

    So, run when the opportunity presents itself, grind it out in the half-court when it doesn't. Establishing a dominant half-court offense is much more important for post season success than leading the league in fast break points during the regular season.

    BNM
     
  14. andalusian

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    This is not the only source.

    Look at this:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/po...ark-cuban-s-stats-expert-isn-t-bashful-part-3

    In other words - Nate seems to know what he is doing, despite the constant whining that he has no clue...
     
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    Yours maybe, not mine.

    Exactly. Boring snailball, and in the playoffs even more boring snailball and a 1st round exit.

    BORING.
     
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    Sergio has been there, done that. :tsktsk:
     
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    Why has Mo WeakCheeks coached 2 NBA teams? :dunno:
     
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    Why do that when he can complain (again) in the media?
     
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    Not a failure at all.

    Just not someone I want coaching my team.

    He's a censor of creativity, and I abhor censorship.

    He limits the players' opportunities to entertain me, which is really the only reason they exist.
     
  20. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Whatever, crucify me if you wish. If it takes one shitty season to get us a coach that will take us to the promised land, so be it.

    With that said, I only said a part of me. I'm not actively rooting against our team. I'm not hoping we lose every game. I would take a small amount of satisfaction if some of the blind Nate lovers ate some crow. That's all.

    And as some posters like to point to players' playoff records... what is Nate's playoff record as a coach? How many series has he won as a coach? Regular season records are all well and good, but if this team can't get out of the first round, it means squat.
     

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