Nate wants Miller to be more aggressive...

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  1. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi.../mcmillan_wants_miller_to_be_more_aggressive/
    It's funny because that's exactly what we want out of him. Yet if Nate is telling Miller to attack more, could it that Miller just doesn't want to? Let's assume that Nate is telling the truth...
     
  2. magnifier661

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    Key phrase "Let's assume that Nate is telling the truth..." Because I don't think Andre Miller wouldn't have any problem wanting to have the hands 90% of time. That's what he's used to.
     
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    Why oould you assume Miller wouldn't want to? Seemed to me when he was running the team yesterday, scoring wasn't necessarily a problem.
     
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    Miller has a noose wrapped around his neck. And it wasn't put there by him.
     
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    I think Nate just tosses people under the bus to save his own arse
     
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    Do you think KP would ever have the gonads to come right up to Nate and say "If you don't find a way of making Roy and Miller co-exist, you are fired"?

    Personally, I just don't see KP having the Gonads to do this. I think he would rather wait until the team is obviously in a downward spiral, so everyone, fans included will feel justified letting Nate go.

    And with that, do you think Nate would accept it and try and make it work, or be more hard headed and say "Fire me then and coach this team yourself!"
     
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    You can say "ass" on this forum. Nate is not, as far as I know, English, so he doesn't have an arse.

    I think that's unfair. You can say that Nate is a poor coach, but I don't think he's a dishonorable one. But one thing he could do to help Miller is PUT HIM IN A UNIT WITH A BIG MAN WHO CAN SCORE.

    The trouble is:

    Miller needs to play with Oden (and vice versa - DEFINITELY vice versa).
    Miller doesn't work well with Roy.
    Oden deserves to start.
    No way you can't start Roy.

    How do you solve this problem, short of taking a pipe to somebody's knees?
     
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    Y'know, we as fans have a lot to do with the signing of Miller. Remember the big stink because Pritchard didn't use RLEC? (To get whom, exactly, I was never clear.) Then if we came out of THIS offseason without SOME signing, I think Pritchard would seriously have had to fear for his life. But Miller was never really a good fit. If he is to work out, I think it's Brandon who will have to adapt (just as he did - briefly - with Chris Paul in the All-Star game).
     
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    We could always hire Tonya Harding to assist the "medical staff" ;)
     
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    +1

    This is a real problem.

    I thought the second unit would flow better with Miller. It has only happened some.

    I am now of the view that they should just start Miller, take your lumps, explain to Roy he is a 2/3 and Miller is a 1--so play that way. Shorten the rotation to eight (Starters + Rudy, Joel and Outlaw).
     
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    +1, they're professionals, figure it the hell out. Superstars make their teammates better and are flexible because they're good at many things, Brandon Roy is a star not a superstar. He's playing like Kobe did right after Shaq left and we're having similiar results, but Brandon is with a tremendously better cast, figure it out guy.

    The rotation needs to be shorter, and Blake needs squeezed out, if the guys play together enough they'll figure eah other out, but these fast subs are rediculous. One consolidation move to add some vet IQ and defense and we're set IMO, so long as Outlaw and Blake are gone.

    The Move: Outlaw/Blake/pick or whatever for Prince

    Only 1 year left after this one, incredibly high IQ, great passer, improved team defense, improved offensive spacing, unselfish, and a true team player. Plus it gets Bayless a little burn even though I don't love him.

    Miller/Roy/(Bayless)
    Roy/Fernandez
    Webster/Prince/(Cunningham)
    Aldridge/Prince/(Howard)
    Oden/Pryzbilla

    That's a very good 8 man rotation with versatile roles and should play good defense (on paper).
     
  12. The_Lillard_King

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    I see a lot blaming Nate . . . maybe Miller isn't as good as many thought?

    It's not like he was in high demand.
     
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    Well much of the "blaming" has been on our terrible perimeter defense, and inability to have good chemistry on the floor. Those two things are why you have a coach. Figure a way to get the most out of your players and design ways to stop the other team.

    Of course players determine the outcome, but looking at a team like Houston, with no great players, it kinda proves a lot of our points.
     
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    I agree about Miller needing to play with Oden. So far, they have played roughly 45 minutes together this season. 9 minutes a night, on average. For someone that was supposed to have a decent effect on Oden, he hsan't even spent half of Oden's time on the court alognside him. I think if Nate wants strict sub patterns, why not start Miller, bring him out when you take Oden out at the 6 minute mark of the first quarter. Within that first 6 minutes, try to establish Oden and Aldridge with easy baskets. Bring Blake and Joel in at that time, to play with Roy, Aldridge, and Webster. Could then sub out Webster to put in Rudy. Take Roy out after 1, and sub in Outlaw. Go another 2-4 minutes, and bring back in Miller and Oden. Etc. Roy would have his 6 minues without Miller to be able to attack and have Blake in as a spot up shooter, but would still be out there wqhile Aldridge and Oden are being established early on. Makes more sense to me. I dunno.
     
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    If figuring a way to get the most out of your players is the criteria for a coach, I would say Nate gets an A. The Blazers have been considered over achievers the last 2 years.

    My point is that everyone expects Miller to come in and be able to do this and that . . . and it is Nate's fault he hasn't. I'm wondering if he is capable of doing the things everyone expects from him.
     
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    What isn't Miller doing, though? He' sshooting poorly to begin the season, but otherwise, per 36 is getting to the line 5 times a game, and handing out 7 assists. Sounds like what we expected.
     
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    I was told he was a much better defender than Blake by those who claimed to watch a lot of Miller.

    He isn't.
     
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    I thought Miller would take control of the game more. Maybe he doesn't get to because of the system or Roy . . . but I was envisioning someone coming in and handling the ball more and creating an offensive flow. I don't think he has been bad, but not what I was hopin for (yet).

    And who doesn't cringe when he shoots the outside shot. I thnik his outside shot will come around a little . . . i don't think you survive in teh NBA this long as a PG shooting from the outside the way Miller has early this season.
     
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    Well, so far as controlling games, he currently has a 34% assist rate on the season. I know, it's early, but he essentially gets an assist on a third of every basket the team is scoring while he is out there. His career average is 35%. So he's seems to be controlling the game similar to how he usually has. I think some had too lofty of expectations for him, for one, and also, limiting his effectiveness, IMO, is making him a half time player.
     
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    First of all, I think it's stupid to think that Nate would be purposefully lying if anyone is suggesting that. He'd have his own team to answer for and I'd place money that someone on the team would call him out publicly. You telling me Quick wouldn't love a story about "anonymous players" accusing Nate of lying?

    Secondly, why is the only option that Miller just doesn't want to? Maybe he can't? Maybe when he's in the opposition is sagging off of everybody because nobody can make an inside shot or maybe the paint is clogged or maybe, maybe, maybe...ACK
     

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