Patty Mills needs a trade

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by barfo, Nov 11, 2009.

  1. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    19,094
    Likes Received:
    22,763
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Maybe we can trade Mills to Sacramento where they have a coach who appreciates the beauty of team basketball and will overlook his poor shooting (he hasn't made a shot all season) and lack of defense (he can't seem to stay in front of anyone these days). Yeah, that's it. Trade him to Sacramento where he will thrive in their up tempo system and Paul Westphal will be his Frank Layden.

    BNM
     
  2. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2009
    Messages:
    30,672
    Likes Received:
    8,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired, while you work!
    Ricky Greene kept Stockton from starting for 3 years. Beno Udrih is Sergio's Ricky Greene. Only 3 years till they get rid of Beno to make way for Sergio. This is after Tyreke leaves for a winning team. Get back to me in 3 years.
     
  3. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    19,094
    Likes Received:
    22,763
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Who said anything about Sergio? This thread is about Patty Mills.

    But since you brought it up. Sacramento will need a new 3rd string PG once Sergio's rookie contract expires. Could be a good destination for Mills. With all the sitting and watching he's doing this season, he'll be well prepared to take over Sergio's role.

    BNM
     
  4. BoomChakaLaka

    BoomChakaLaka Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    3,376
    Likes Received:
    2,074
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Designer / Artist
    Location:
    San Miguel de Allende, Mexico (formerly PDX)

    It is possilbe that Patty could be our starting PG in two years time.

    Bayless will be down the road in my opinion........he cannot handle the rock!
     
  5. BenDavis503

    BenDavis503 Banned User BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    2,224
    Likes Received:
    23
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Computer Geek
    Location:
    503
    Pun intended? lol

    IAE - I do not want to trade Patty! He will be ready to go when Dre contract is up.
     
  6. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    trouble is, Beno is actually finally living up to his full MLE contact; he's playing fairly well off the ball with all of the facilitating that Evans does, hitting over 50% from the floor and 39% from three point range. Who knows what Sergio would do with more minutes, but there's scant evidence he's on the verge of all of a sudden A) going to get on the floor and B) putting it all together. Not to mention, he's unlikely to get anything more than a minimum contract offer from anybody this summer (from the Kings or otherwise) and I suspect he's going to get better offers from an ACB or a Euroleague team.
     
  7. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Anything is possible.

    Except that. That's not possible.

    Yes, his elite ability to get to the rim and draw fouls is done by mentally propelling the ball along beside him. Mentally strong, weak handle.
     
  8. hasoos

    hasoos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    9,418
    Likes Received:
    97
    Trophy Points:
    48
    You know how the Blazers seem to never have a PG with speed to raise hell with other teams, and always seem to be on the wrong end of the speedy guard treatment? Hopefully Patty Mills will end that. In the Olympics all of the guards on team usa talked about how hard he was to stay in front of. That is why he is here now, and not one of those other vets who we turned down. (That, and he costs a lot less).
     
  9. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    19,094
    Likes Received:
    22,763
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If people think Andre Miller and Jerryd Bayless are shoot first ballhog PGs, wait til they see Patty Mills play. He took over 15 shots a game in college while averaging 3.9 APG.

    Here's his list of weaknesses from Draftexpress:

    WEAKNESSES:
    - Ability to get to free throw line
    - Ability to play at different speeds
    - Decision making
    - Not a true point guard
    - Settles for bad shots
    - Shot-selection
    - Ability to contest shots
    - Defensive fundamentals
    - Level of competition
    - Assist to turnover ratio
    - Ability to finish through contact
    - Frail frame
    - Undersized
    - Low shooting percentages[/quote]

    So, he's quick enough to blow by people but doesn't make good decisions and can't make a shot. Mills strikes me as a very poor man's Damon Stoudemire, or a middle class man's Pooh Jeter - a midget shooting guard who is forced to play PG becuase if his tiny size.

    BNM
     
  10. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I tried to bring this up awhile back when the debate was whether or not the he was going to be TPGOTF (The Point Guard of the Future TM) I watched a few of his games for St. Mary's and the only thing I could think of was "small scoring guard" ... people harp on Bayless for not being a true point, but at least he has some size to play the position on defense, Mills on the other hand ... There's is a reason he slipped to the end of the second round.

    And I'm not even trying to say that Jerryd should be a longterm solution, if that's what people think this is about.
     
  11. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2009
    Messages:
    16,060
    Likes Received:
    4,035
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Tualatin
    fixed
     
  12. SheedSoNasty

    SheedSoNasty Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    4,989
    Likes Received:
    5,846
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Someone please e-mail that writer to let him know he's hurt.
     
  13. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    1,964
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Programmer
    Location:
    New Bern
    I like his strengths:

    From DraftExpress:
    STRENGTHS:
    - Go-to scoring mentality
    - Transition play
    - Ability to create own shot
    - Ball-handling skills
    - Ability to get in passing lanes
    - Aggressiveness
    - Strong Intangibles
    - Ability to finish around basket
    - Above average athleticism
    - Speed
    - 3-point range
    - Solid free throw shooter

    He seems like someone who could compliment our other players well. He can spot up and shoot the 3 or beat his man off the dribble. He's fast and agrressive which makes him a good candidate to guard the Tony Parkers and Chris Pauls of the league. He may not be able to jump into the starting PG role now but he could be a solid back up.
     
    UKRAINEFAN likes this.
  14. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    He seems like a poor man's Bayless. Same type of player but smaller and lesser tools.
     
  15. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    19,094
    Likes Received:
    22,763
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He can spot up and shoot the 3 alright. He just has trouble making it. 3-point range is not the same as 3-point accuracy. He shot 7.6 3-pointers per game last season in college. That's a hell of a lot of 3-pointers. Too bad he missed 5.0 of those 7.6 per game - and that's from the shorter college 3-point line.

    I just don't get the fan-boy love for some of these PGs who can't shoot and can't defend. Jerryd Bayless averaged more APG at a younger age against much tougher competition - while playing SG in his one season at Arizona. He also averaged more PPG, fewer TO/G and shot the ball better overall, and a hell of a lot better from 3-point range. And, he's actually big enough to guard someone in the NBA. Yet, for some inexplicable reason Mills is our PG of the future.

    Let me say that again - 19-year old Jerryd Bayless, playing SG, against much tougher competition, scored more, shot the ball much better from 3-point range, averaged more assists and had a better assist-to-TO ratio 21-year old Patty Mills playing PG against very week competition in the WCC.

    BNM
     
  16. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,198
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I hear you, but I get the feeling this is going to fall on mostly deaf ears, young point guards always hold tons of promise and intrigue within the minds of some fans; there will always be someone who thinks "If only they gave <player X> more minutes he'd show 'em."

    Hell, we saw this same phenomena with Sergio and Bayless (and Telfair before them). I have to say I even fell victim to it with Bayless last year ... which isn't to say I don't still think he has a lot of promise and might not someday be capable of fitting into the starting lineup, but I think it's fair to say he's still got a ways to go.
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2009
  17. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    1,964
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Programmer
    Location:
    New Bern
    Scouts consider the 3 one of his strengths. He has good shooting mechanics so I think he can make the adjustment to the NBA 3. I posted this from the same source you used so I don't know why you're trying to discredit it.
    I don't know if he can defend but he can shoot:
    from DraftExpress:
    I don't know if you're talking about my post but you quoted me so I'll respond.

    I never said anything negative about Bayless. I think he's great (I posted an article about him a few weeks ago that few people bothered responding to) but the club signed Mills for a reason. Bayless definitely had a better college career than Mills but he didn't have a good shooting year last season and that was suppose to be one of his strengths. College isn't always a good indicator of how a player will do in the NBA.

    I don't see Mills as our PG of the future or even starting in the NBA but he could be a great guard off the bench to change the tempo of the game. I was shocked to see him blow by CP3 in the Olympics and I'm glad he's on our team. I hope he blends in well with our team and wins us a bunch of games. That's all I'm saying.
     
  18. DUB

    DUB Da, da da, da dah!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    6,668
    Likes Received:
    5,322
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Joe Ingles' hometown
    Spot on.

    And I don't see anyone claiming that he's our PGOTF; just people using hyperbole to try to prove a point.

    Statements such as:

    WEAKNESSES:
    - Decision making
    - Settles for bad shots
    - Shot-selection
    - Low shooting percentages

    Fail to take into account that Mills is just doing what the coach has instructed him to do.

    If the coach tell him to pass, that's what he'll do. If the coach tells him to shoot, that's what he'll do. If the coach tells him to penetrate, that's what he'll do.

    What he will never do, is put himself above the team.
     
  19. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    19,094
    Likes Received:
    22,763
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The coach told him to make bad decisions and settle for bad shots? Yeah, right.

    The coach may have made him the focus of the offense, but that doesn't mean he needs to force up bad shots and make poor decisions.

    I'm not a big fan of undersized, poor defending PGs who shoot too much at a very low percentage - no matter how quick they are.

    BTW, that so-called "hyperbole" was not my opinion. It was the scouting report at draftexpress.com.

    BNM
     

Share This Page