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  1. PapaG

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    US citizens are afforded Constitutional rights. I think you're confused on how this would make trying a normal citizen in a tribunal illegal?

    Hint - KSM is not a citizen of the USA.
     
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    He was referring to me directly, where I said that if a US Citizen were to be in Al Queda and plan, should they be tried in a military court. I said "yes" since they are treasonous. Its basically a red herring for him to try to prove some kind of point, which I haven't seen yet.
     
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    You constantly rant about the "road to serfdom", and yet you are fine with the government imprisoning US citizens without trial? You don't trust the government to provide health care insurance - but you want to believe anyone who the government seizes is guilty and thus deserves whatever is coming to them?

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    When they commit acts of treason, yes.
     
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    How do you know when they've committed an act of treason?

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    I was asking you to specify your criteria, hence why I asked to clarify.

    My point is that you've already specified that you are okay with US citizens being denied of their constitutional rights if they are considered a threat to the US government. And that if they are denied of these rights that allow them to expose the fact that this threat is not-real, then what is to prevent the government from simply producing unsubstantiated, trumped-up charges against US citizens, yourself included, because they don't like your politics?

    This happens all the time in Third World countries and why we seek to protect our rights here. But apparently that's trivial to you.
     
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    Psst..a red herring means to throw off the trail. I'm actually following along the exact line of wording you're providing. I'm not even asking about the guys being held in Cuba right now because I'm more intrigued by how you came about this mindset concerning US citizens.
     
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    The government says they do.
     
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    If they are planning to overthrow the government, cause terror and attack the country, killing lots of people
     
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    The trail is that KSM is not an american citizen and should be tried in a military court.
     
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    And again, its when they are considered more than a threat. When they commit treasonous and terrorists acts.
     
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    That might be good enough for someone like me, who thinks that our government is generally a force for good rather than evil, but it certainly couldn't possibly be acceptable to Buzz, who thinks our government is absolutely incompetent and/or corrupt in everything they do. Why, I'm sure he'd be bitterly opposed to such government "death panels".

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    The internment camps were almost as horrible as universal health care. One of the greatest blights on this country, right behind slavery.

    Does it occur to you that if the police arrest someone, they should be tried in a court and that if the military arrests someone on the battlefield, they should be tried in a military court/tribunal or held like a POW until the hostilities are over?
     
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    I think your beef is with the AP, no?
     
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    I'd be all in favor of an international tribunal, or the world court, but for two things.

    1) There's no death penalty, and it's absolutely warranted in these cases
    2) They put Milosevic on trial and he died of old age before they finished. Justice should be swift, and people are entitled to a speedy trial.
     
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    So is it 1. Slavery, 2. Universal health care, 3. Internment camps, or
    1. Universal health care, 2. Slavery, 3. Internment camps?

    And this guy - he was captured by the Pakistani ISI. Not exactly police, not exactly military. And not exactly the battlefield.

    And how do we tell when the hostilities are over?

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    And the guy who sells child porn says "your beef is with the photographer".

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    He was captured in 2003, and we are just now getting around to a trial. I think the chance of giving him a speedy trial has pretty much passed.

    I think if you are going to have a death penalty, this is certainly a case where you'd want it to apply, however.

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  19. Denny Crane

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    His tribunal trial was fought in our courts, which delayed the trial he should have received.

    As for being arrested by the ISI, that would be on the battlefield and certainly the ISI isn't some US town's police force or one of our federal police agencies (BATF, FBI, etc.)
     
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    Well, it would be pretty hard for a US town's police force to arrest someone in a foreign country. The ISI certainly isn't the US military, either.

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