Blake's 71.4 win percentage leads team.

Thats exactly why we won

 

Did you watch any of the games this season?

 

Yes it is. About 1 or 2 are offensive fouls. Another 1 or 2 is from hacking his own man.

 

Did you watch the game? We were up 1 with 3 seconds to go. Brooks was given the ball. We only win the game if Blake shuts him down. And he did.

 

Haven't missed a single one.

 

I was agreeing with you

 

give me a few minutes. I will come back with Oden's foul stats for the playoffs last season.

 

Sorry. Thought you were being sarcastic.

 

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Looks to me that Brooks blew by blake and LMA and Pryz affected his shot (2:10)

 

I was

 

Yeah, it was Blake's lockdown D. Good lord.

 

This thread blew up in a hurry!

I'll admit that Blake's career positive +/- or win% gives me some pause. His traditional numbers aren't good and observationally, he seems quite limited. But it does seem true that units he plays with consistently do pretty well, so there might be something more than meets the eye with Blake.

Still, I'm more apt to trust the tangible measures first and foremost (scoring, rebounding, creating assists) and use the intangible measures (which is really what +/- types of statistics are about) more around the edges. I think Miller is clearly a better player than Blake,and Bayless is likely to be better. Does Blake have an "intangibles" edge over them? Perhaps, but I'd rather first see the players with superior production play significant minutes together before deciding that intangible benefits overwhelm productivity benefits.

I will say that my impression of Blake's defense has changed recently, both with the Synergy Sports findings and his +/- results. Blake is probably not as bad at defense as I thought and many here think.

 

Oden's fouls in the playoffs

Game 1- http://www.nba.com/games/20090418/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 3 fouls- loose ball, Yao, Scola

Game 2- http://www.nba.com/games/20090421/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 6 fouls- Yao, Lowry, loose ball, ?, Brooks,

Game 3- http://www.nba.com/games/20090424/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 5 fouls- ?, Yao, ?, ?, Lowry

Game 4- http://www.nba.com/games/20090426/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 5 fouls- Artest, Yao, ?, ?, Yao

Game 5- http://www.nba.com/games/20090428/HOUPOR/playbyplay.html- Oden had 4 fouls- Landry, Landry, Offensive, ?

Game 6- http://www.nba.com/games/20090430/PORHOU/playbyplay.html- Oden had 4 fouls- Artest, Yao, Brooks, Offensive

The ?s are fouls in which no one shot free throws and they weren't loose ball fouls or offensive fouls. Most likely, these were fouls against his own man prior to his man shooting. If they were fouls against guards penetrating, they would have put up the shot and gone to the line. But let's add up the fouls we know about:

Yao: 6
Scola: 1
Landry: 2
Artest: 2
Lowry: 2
Brooks: 1
Offensive fouls: 2

So, out of the 16 fouls we know about, only THREE were against point guards and I can't be certain that Blake was guarding them when those fouls were committed. I could figure it out, but I'm lazy. Also- almost all of those ? fouls were against Oden's own man.

There you go. All that bullshit about half of the fouls being against guards has been proven wrong. Eat it.

 

Now how many of those fouls were the result of a PG driving past blake, then dumping it off to Oden's man after he had to rotate over, then oden caught out of position on his own man is forced to foul.

 

You can speak up for Blake all you want. It's your basketball IQ on the line not mine. Have at it.

 

There are a lot of players in this league who have tangible stats but their teams don't win. In fact, there are full teams with players with tangible stats but they don't win.

 

Sorry, that makes no sense. One could as easily say that if they were against his own man, that player would have "put up the shot and gone to the line." There are plenty of fouls committed against penetrating perimeter players prior to the shot. The fact that they were non-shooting personal fouls tells us nothing about whom they were committed against.

 

Okay. I'm done. I look forward to Blake getting 5 pts, 4 assts, leading us to a Blazer win tonight.

Go Blazers!

 

That has nothing at all to do with what I said. Every player has "tangible" production, so of course there are players and teams with tangible production who aren't winning.

 

You mean how Brooks "torched him" for a PER of 14 in that series?