These are from TbPup on another board - they make me physically ill! "Enough is enough! New postby TBpup on Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:54 am I know this has been debated ad nauseum but this is just bordering in the rediculous. There has to be an answer but we as a fan base, there is no way we are not getting the whole story. At some point, it is either just plain stubborness or lack of coaching acumen. Miami Blake - 9 points, 3 assists, 1 reb, 3-6 FG, (24 mins) Miller- 18 points, 6 assists 3 reb, 4-9 FG, 10-12 FT (31 mins) Houston Blake ----3 points, 3 assists, 0 rebounds, 1-6 FG (28 mins) Miller---24 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 9-14 FG, 5-7 FT (25 mins) New York Blake -- 9 points, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 4-8 FG, 1-2 FT (38 mins) Miller - 4 points, 2 assists, 2 rebounds, 2-6 FG (26 mins) Indiana Blake -- 6 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, 2-7 FG (39 mins) Miller - 15 points, 2 assists, 1 rebound, 5-12 FG, 3-4 FT (25 mins) Cleveland Blake --- 0 points, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 0-4 FG, (36 mins) Miller - 20 points, 3 assists, 6 rebounds, 8-13 FG, 2-2 FT (32 mins) So far in December: Blake --- 5.4 ppg, 4.8 apg, 2.4 rpg, .323 FG%, .500 FT% (1 freakin FT) in 33 mpg. Miller - 16.2 ppg, 3.2 apg, 3.0 rpg, .519 FG%, .800 FT% (20-25 FTs) in 27.8 mpg. The disparity is alarming and if put into equal minutes played, would just get ugly. Blake does average an additional 1.6 assists per game but his season average is still below Miller's. And for Nate saying it provides a better fit because he can stretch the defense, at .323 FG% shooting he isn't stretching so much as a rubber band let along the defense. Miller is actually the one who has started to hit a few 3's lately. I quess my question is, how bad does Blake have to play or how well does Andre have to play before a change is made? Neither is good defensively so that part is a wash. Either this is just a mandate from Nate, a strong suggestion from Roy or just plain stubborn stupidity. It's not that Blake shouldn't be playing, but why so many damned minutes and why not give some of that time to Bayless? The photos that Blakey must have on someone... "
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats Miller 16 pts/3 assists Looks like Nate has him at the right spot. Back-up SG seems to be where he's been his most productive. Now that he doesn't have to distribute, he's become an asset for the team off of the bench.
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats Yet, even if we pretend basketball didn't exist prior to this season and we can only use this season's numbers, Miller is averaging more assists per game than Blake, despite playing fewer minutes. And, if this season is all that counts, Blake can't even hit threes at high efficiency, which is supposed to be his main value to this team. Miller is averaging about 6 assists per 36 minutes, and a 28.2% Assist Rate. BLANKY is averaging 5 assists per 36 minutes, and a 21.9% Assist Rate. So, the numbers seem to suggest that Miller should be playing at least 36 minutes as the starting point guard and BLANKY should be a reserve who can play at either position. If we consider past seasons, Miller has always been more productive than Blake, as a passer and scorer.
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats Those of you who saw the fourth quarter of the Cleveland game - was Miller out there? I know he hit a couple of three's earlier in the game, and Blake obviously was pretty useless. In a tight contest late in the game, I would've hoped for a Miller-Roy-Webster-Aldridge-Przybilla lineup, but is that what we got? (and if Cunningham was in, instead of Webster, that's OK, too...)
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats It might be time to see what kind of backup role player Blake can be, instead of a starting role player.
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats Let's say for the sake of argument that Steve Blake is somehow a great defensive player and a Steve Battier "no stats all-star" type player -- which seems like a bit of a stretch -- usually those kinds of guys can at least play the sniper role hitting the outlet 3 from the corner or the wing at around 38%+ I just have to wonder, how many coaches in the NBA would continue to trot a guy out there for 38, 36, 40 minutes a night when there are a couple of potentially more productive options on the bench? Especially a team seemingly so starved for scoring. Is the net point differential between his defense and his offense really this good? I just can't see it. Whatever, nothing is going to change while this coaching staff is in place, I'm convinced of that. Miller and/or Bayless will be moved and we'll probably be talking about why this team still doesn't have an adequate point guard in the starting lineup a year from now and we'll still be wondering if Brandon can ever play off the ball well enough for this team to put more than just roleplayers next to him in the backcourt. Bleh.
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats "Patience, we're a family here" -- Kevin Pritchard Blake is going nowhere, unfortunately.
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats Not exactly a direct quote. I just took a page out of the 'Kevin Pritchard's corny, cream puff, book of cliché answers"
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats But Blake is a lockdown defender.... look what he did to Aaron Brooks!
Re: Blave vs Miller December stats I want Miller to start but I do have one big complaint about him on defense. He needs to do a better job stepping in front of bigs that cut to the hoop. Happened countless times last night.
You can't even facepalm at this anymore. It's at the point of crying because our coaching staff is horrendous and possible liars with their training camp mantra of earning minutes, or laughing because you don't want to seem weak for crying.
