OT: Anyone see the refs hand the Lakers a victory in Milwaukee?

Hell, everyone makes it sound like this is the first time in the NBA a bad call was ever made. Anyone ever hear of a guy name Michael Jordan? More calls have gone his way than anyone i've ever watched play before! I hated the BULLS of the 90's... Lakers get the nod. They are the champs. It happens. Kobe has paid his dues... Kobe made a big time shot to seal the deal. LAKERS4LIFE!

 

KS you need to take off the Homer goggles for once cause the shit caked on them is clouding your view. SUre that was a bad call on the Kobe deal but they they didn't steal squat from us. Besides if you lose because of 1 bad call then you didn't care care of business.

 

That's an interesting justification. Exactly what dues has K*be paid, pray tell?

He should be in prison in the Vail Valley.

 

Kobe has paid his dues.. He's a superstar and superstars however you feel about them get those superstar calls. Lebron has gotten them. Wade has gotten them. What makes Kobe different? You may not like it, but thats the way things are. Did I think it was a charge? Yes I did. Was the game handed to the Lakers? Hell no. Kobe had to make the 3 point play. He made the basket, made the free throw and had to make the game winner at the buzzer.

Did the Bucks have a chance to seal the deal after that call? Hell ya. But it didnt happen... lets move forward. its one game. If we had lost, it would have been on Kobe too.

Stop with the PRISON CRAP. He went thru the JUDICIAL SYSTEM and was proven not GUILTY. Are you still not over it? Let God judge him. Not you..

 

If you cant respond intelligently, then it worthless debating with you. ENJOY.... Im done.

 

Hey Trench I'm not one to let facts get in the way of a good opinion, but Kobe settled out of court. That essentially means Kobe paid her a huge sum of cash to drop the charges.... Why would he do that? Ohh and that is considerably different than going through the judicial system and being proven free of guilt.

 

he got them starting his rookie year and he gets at least as much leeway with this BS as anyone. Superstar calls are David Stern's creation and make me want to puke. Like allowing players to gesticulate in protest of every single call, this is what Stern and Co has decided is best for their league. It certainly doesn't have to be this way. No other professional sport openly acknowledges that some of their players are more equal then others. No other league lets their players mock their officials.

dude paid millions to settle a felony rape charge and avoid going to trial. He was not proven not guilty. If he believed in his innocence, he should have gone to trial. Basically, you root for a rapist...not that there is anything wrong with that.

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Is this a sports forum or a criminal investigation forum?

I root for a basketball player and a basketball team. Not for a rapist. If he did in fact do what she had claimed he did, let GOD BE THE JUDGE OF THAT. He was never in fact proven guilty. Im I correct? I really would like to know. But, as far as I know, he's not guilty. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GULITY CORRECT? He settled out of court? Honestly, I did not know that. I seriously missed that part. I'm guilty of not knowing everything about Kobe Bryant. WOW!

Maybe he just didnt want to deal with all the months of court. Maybe she didnt. Who knows. I follow the Lakers and Kobe on the basketball court, not much off season with their personal life. I knew he had gone or was "SUPPOSE" to go to court, and I figured he was cleared of the charges since he was never sentenced. Unfortunately, I dont live and breathe the personal lives of the players who play for my beloved Laker team.

What really bugs me about these posts, is the simple fact that we should be talking about basketball and someone comes in to talk about something totally not about basketball. Argue about basketball all you want. I'm fine with it.

This is about the refs handing the GAME to LAKERS RIGHT? Well, i dont think that happened and I explained why. Then we get someone coming onto the thread, posting some single random sentence totally unrelated to the topic.

 

I do agree with you partially on the superstar calls. I dont know if its all STERNS creation, but I dont think SUPERSTARS should get this treatment. However, Kobe Bryant is one of the SUPERSTARS in the NBA, and no matter what you think of it, the haters have to endure it. haha... If it were just KOBE, I'd say we'd have a problem here, but its not. It may not be agreeable, but as you have acknowledged yourself, it is part of the game and as I mentioned earlier, the BUCKS still had a chance to close it out. They even had an offensive board and a missed 2nd look. Kobe took advantage of the opportunity to seal the game and did. Nuff said.

 

Hey Trench let me extend the olive branch. I get what you are saying, I bet you can't truly deny that the call was blown. That's pretty obvious, but the question is did they blow it on purpose? I think the issue of your counter comment that caused a little response was saying that flamish response is that he's a superstar therefore he deserves to get calls like that. Well in all honesty in the spirit of sportsmanship no player should ever get preferential treatment on the field of competition.... Ever. Does it happen? Of course it does, but that doesn't make it defensible.

That is the one element that makes Golf one of the great sportsman's games (some of the younger hot heads have tarnished it) you call you're own fouls on yourself. In fact if you ever see a match-play event, opponents have the right to call a player out on not calling a penalty on themselves, but almost never will due to the honor system.

So in other words good players will get calls, but we as fans should at least try to be honest and say "Wow we got away with one there, but I'll take the win"

 

You make alot of good arguments my man. In the spirit of sportsmanship, preferential treatment should never be allowed. I TOTALLY AGREE.

However, its been part of the game for as long as I can remember. I've been a fan of the Lakers since '85 and I've watched alot of basketball in my time. SUPERSTAR status is earned and once earned, you DO see those preferential calls. Whether we like it or not, it is part of the game in the NBA. Everyone knows it.

Was it a charge? YES. Did the refs make a mistake? YES. Was it Kobe's fault? NO. Did the refs hand them this game? I dont think so. Kobe had to make a tough 3 point play. The Bucks had two opportunities to cushion their lead to 3-4 points, and Kobe with the ice running thru his veins, still managed to put the dagger in the hearts of the Bucks with his last second shot.

If he had been called for the charged would the Lakers have lost? In all likeliness, yes. Could they have still won? Well, we all know when Kobes on the floor, anything can happen, so who knows. There was still close to a full minute on the clock when the CHARGE HAPPENED.

 

I agree with everything you posted. And youre animated image in your sig line kills my computer everytime .

 

sorry schilly. haha.. I dont often post outside of the Laker/49er forums and MMA threads. This one happened to show up on the frontpage and I just had to chime in. Mamba's giant Charger photo. That one is a keeper.. haha.. Back on topic guys. See ya around!

 

Not to go all Greg Popovich here, but I'd like to believe it wasn't on purpose. Does the superstar get the benefit of a "close call" here and there? You COULD make an argument (albeit a weak one in my book) that Bogut's feet aren't completely set. I've watched the replay 10 times and in slow motion, and he's sort of back-peddling and it looks like he's set at the last possible second - he just slides in front of a spinning Bryant. It is close. It's still a terrible call. Kobe was out of control, and he did travel. There's no way that foul should have been called on Bogut. But, I just want to believe the officials gave what they saw as a close call to a superstar, instead of blatantly fixing the outcome of the game. The day I believe that, I can't watch it anymore.

 

Just finished watching the game. Was def a charge, no question. KingSpeed is leaving out something though. The Bux missed like 7 or 8 free throws down the stretch. I think they lost it more the refs helping the Lakers win it. Great game!

 

I think the best the Bucks could have hoped for given the circumstances is a no call, and Kobe still made the basket.

 

And Kobe still had to make that amazing shot. "You've got to make your freethrows."

 

You're right, and that's why he's Kobe. I think what outrages everybody who isn't a Laker fan is that this guy doesn't NEED any help from the officials. He's better than everybody else to start with - to give him another advantage is too much to overcome.