Chicago Mayor Tries to Poach Oregon Companies because of Measure 66

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  1. maxiep

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    Hyde Park in Portland would be equivalent to St. John's. As for Racine, it's like saying "I bought on 99E"--meaning it's a LOOOONNNNNGGG street.
     
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    oops, not Hyde Park..grant park. Right off Michigan Ave.
     
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    The ranking that puts Oregon as the 14th best business tax state puts Illinois at #30. Yeah, we should be shaking in fear of Chicago.

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    BIG difference. The South Michigan area was struggling but has been up and coming for about a decade. It's really safe because Son-of-Hizzoner lives in the neighborhood, so cops are always around.
     
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    Illinois is a big state. Also, you assume businesses are treated equally throughout Illinois; they're not. There, the government is willing to work with business to attract companies. It's why Chicago has so many headquarter locations.
     
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    Yeah, it's a phat pad...up on like the 53rd floor or something rediculous....i couldn't believe it was only $500k.




    http://www.homeinsight.com/home-value/il/chicago.asp

    The median house is like $240k in Chicago.

    Its a midwest city, housing isn't as expensive as costal cities. It didn't seem that expensive to live there....my cousins make good money there and live it up pretty well.
     
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    Yes, Boeing HQ fled Seattle because the executives were tired of paying that incredibly burdensome 0% WA income tax.

    So they moved to Chicago, where they now pay 3% income tax on their very large salaries.

    I could be wrong, but I think this might suggest that they moved for reasons other than taxes.

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    To me, Chicago is a lot of finance and a lot of blue collar type of work. dunno, don't see a company like Nike really thriving there.
     
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    Illinois is a big state, but state taxes are presumably levied equally throughout the state. I wasn't addressing how companies are treated, that's a different subject. I certainly wouldn't deny Chicago has various benefits to offer a company - as does Portland.

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    I look at roughly equivalent neighborhoods and try to price them.

    Lake Oswego/West Linn = Evanston/Winnetka/Lake Forest

    Schaumburg = Beaverton

    Gold Coast = Pearl

    Northwest 23rd = Lincoln Park/Wrigleyville

    In every case, the equivalent home is more expensive in Chicagoland. If you're willing to live far, far out, you can have a nice house on a nice piece of land for a reasonable price.
     
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    I'm saying that Springfield and Chicago City Hall give huge tax breaks to companies willing to move to the state. Ask Boeing how they're taxed.
     
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    :crazy:
     
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    CHICAGO

    vs. Portland

    via Wikipedia!
     
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    There are lots of areas where I'm :crazy:. Can you be more specific?
     
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    I find your methodology suspect.
     
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    I could, but I'm not sure they'd answer. Anyway, the subject here is personal taxes, not corporate taxes - Daley specifically said he was going to raid Oregon because of the personal tax.

    Not sure the corporate tax is all that critical for Boeing in IL anyway - they didn't move manufacturing to IL, just the corporate staff. I doubt a large fraction of their income is attributed to IL.

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    If you're making $125k in Chicago, I think its pretty comparable to making $125k in Portland. There are probably more people making 125k in Chicago though.
     
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    http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html

    125k in Chicago = 129k in Portland....


     
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    He was talking about raiding corporations too. As for taxes paid by Boeing, they still have pretty significant HQ costs, regardless of where they produce their goods. Dallas and Chi-town went neck and neck to give Boeing incentives to move.
     
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    Interesting. I wonder how locationally they decided what constituted "Chicago" and "Portland". If it's metro area, the burbs are really cheap. Chicago also has to blend in a wider variance of economic areas. I could buy a three bedroom, two bath house in Chicago close to an El stop for under $50K. Of course, it would be in a neighborhood that looked more like Beirut than a US City.

    My point is that I've made that amount in both towns and lived much better in Portland than Chicago. My buddy who just bought that place in Lakeview was transferred by Intel out of Portland and he'd arrive at the same conclusion.

    It's a neat tool, but it seems to be a pretty blunt instrument.
     

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