Tom Penn fired?

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  1. BGrantFan

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    That doesn't make any sense. They fire Tom Penn now for a trade made four years ago? One of the least plausible conspiracy theories I've read today on the few boards I frequent.
     
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    We're going to have to agree to disagree. Many posters who were at O-Live can tell you that I supported Zach when he was here, but it doesn't take Red Auerbach to see we became more of a team after he was traded. Better ball movement, better defense, better chemistry.
     
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    The job of Tom Penn was to be a "cap" genius. The thought here is that the trade that took place was in the name of "cap space" which had been proven to be essentially useless and overrated. Tom Penn oversold the importance of it, since you really can't value cap space if you do not know the FA market at that time and team make-up....so it was imaginary whereas Penn pushed it as something tangible.
     
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    Tom Penn created the cap space; it wasn't used.

    Do you blame farmers for growing too much produce that gets thrown away because it's not used?
     
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    Yes, because we have better, more experienced players who have been together a few years.
     
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    Him creating cap space too far in the future was a failure.
     
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    Nice try, but wrong. The improvement was immediate. It really was addition by subtraction.
     
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    Him creating cap space too far in the future was a failure. It was unnecessary.
     
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    That's a silly argument. You have to look at the entire roster to figure out where you can gain cap space. We were forced to do it then because to do it earlier would have resulted in giving up too much young talent. We couldn't hold it longer because of the re-signings of Roy and Aldridge.
     
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    not forced to do anything. you can't predict the situation 2 years in the future. that's not how championship teams are built.

    As I stated on draft day back then, there was no need to rush that shit of a trade through.
     
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    That was really the only solution, though, because of Miles' fucked up situation, which Penn did not create. Plus, wasn't Rudy basically the end result of the trade exception gained by dealing Zach to the Knicks, but via the Suns and the Jones deal?
     
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    Yes, because the players were not rookies anymore. Having ZBO on the team wouldn't have kept it at the status quo. The team would have improved.

    There is no such thing as addition by subtraction, all things being equal.
     
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    How are championship teams built? Usually a core develops, and supporting pieces are added over time. The happened with the late '80-early '90s Pistons, the Jordan/Pippen Bulls, Hakeem's Rockets, the Kobe/Shaq Lakers, and the Spurs by first adding Duncan to Robinson (which was 100% luck), and then thinking down the road about how Parker and Ginobli would project.

    The obvious exception is the 2008 Celtics, which basically was what the Blazers tried to do under Whitsitt.
     
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    and the L*kers last year.

    Look at the championship contenders, they all make big trades to get guys at their peak to push them over the edge, not trade their best rebounder and scorer for imaginary cap space. Trading ZBO for zilch and then just letting RLEC expire.

    look what happened. COMPLETELY FUCKED UP.

    The biggest failures of this Blazers team is not drafting Oden, its the squandering of cap space opportunities. At least Oden could still pan out and will if he stays healthy.
     
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    You missed the key word. On a bad team.
     
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    yeah, he has a great collection of teammates around him. He's producing numbers, which look good on paper. Yet, his team is still not making the playoffs.
     
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    Talk about a conspiracy theory . . . you label this as a firing that makes no sense, even though you have no information.

    This is not some big conspiracy theory against KP Penn and the agent. Management doesn't like Penn and fired him . . . they are allowed to do that. You and I have no idea why, so how can can you say a firing that makes no sense at all?
     
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    An interesting theory. So what you're saying is that championship teams don't plan for the future? Is that why every single team on the rise is using the same method we are? I suppose it's just coincidence and, of course, you know better.
     
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    Yea that is one hell of an agent. Make war with the Blazers before finishing negotiations for your client. Call themback stabber, go to the press and dangle your#1 asset to prove a point. Then enter the negotiations with the Blazers . . . one hell of an agent.
     
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    Why do you say that it wasn't used?
     

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