OT: Theoretically Tonight Could be LeBron's Last Game in a Cavalier Uniform

Yeah, I believe that, just a HUGE LeBron hater. Even if they do win this series though, it's as far as they are gonna go. LA-Orlando, NBA Finals. Said it before the playoffs ever began. If it was any different than that, I would be INCREDIBLY shocked.

I would just like to say: Remember Charles Barkley got in gambling debt a while ago??
I remember before the series began, he said 'he'd bet ANYTHING that the Cavs would beat the Celtics.'

HAHA sorry Chuck, you're a funny guy, but basketball analysis just isn't your thing.

 

This is why it's sin to say his name with the likes of Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. Players that by the end of the game have NOTHING left in the tank.

Although Malone, Stockton, and Barkley never got rings, in my eyes, they are champions. They played like champions every night.

LeBron, in my book, should go down as a GREAT player, but not a champion.

 

Could not agree more. That's why I thought it was a good thing we lost in 2008. A champion NEEDS to know how to lose, but in losing learns more about himself and his teammates. I feel like LeBron thinks he has it all figured out, and he's the center of the world, almost as if his teammates are supplementary to him. A champion, simply, should not think this way.

Be happy we have Kobe as our leader. He has a leadership quality that, frankly, LeBron will never have.

ALTHOUGH, to be fair to LeBron, it did take a few years for it to develop in Kobe. But once Kobe got the supporting cast, he became the leader he NEEDED to be (trusting his teammates, recognizing their talents), not necessarily who he WANTED to be (40 pts/game, etc.). I believe LeBron DOES have the cast right now, he just doesn't have the right mentality.

 

According to HK, Boston doesn't even belong on the same floor with the Cavs.

 

Uh Huh sure. MJ did it all the time that's why he had zero titles at age 25 like LeBron.

You go off on players based off emotion, you shouldn't continue to make vast generalizations. LeBron is clearly injured his play correlates with how many days of rest he's getting.

It hurts also that he has no one on Pau Gasol's level. Odom is around Jamison's level, that's how tough a task he's been given in Cleveland.

 

I said Rondo would have a great series, and that if Bron plays below 08 level you win. So... Yeah even when I fail (Cavs in 6 I said) it isn't too bad. ;]

 

He's worried about himself and his team, he's alluded to it various times.

 

HK, I do say he can prove to us that he's superstar status by showing up BIG in Boston. Even if the Cavs lose, LeBron can still show up and do his thing, gain some respect back from his fans.

Kobe has shit broken. He didn't get much rest either. Don't know where you're getting at there.

I've said it before (IDK if it was exactly this thread) but I DID mention it took Kobe to mature as well, as with MJ, so I'm not ENTIRELY ready to throw him under the bus QUITE yet.

True, he doesn't have anyone on Pau's level on his team, HOWEVER, for the Eastern Conference, he was given the tools to go to the Finals. These Celtics have been hurting all year (if you want to talk about injury) and they are looking like the FAR superior team out there. Cleveland, with the lineup they have, should be up right now, if they lost to Orlando, the ONLY other team that is championship built, I'd be MUCH more understanding. So, I will continue to "generalize."

 

It is never a good idea to lose and choke a championship. We lost in 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, but we NEEDED to lose in 08? Lol, those are just bad excuses.


I thought Jamison was worse than Odom? And if you watched Mo play you could tell he sucks right now, even in the first round. He certainly has an unexceptional cast.

 

Kobe isn't playing the Celtics either.

Kobe is clearly not the player he used to be. I saw the OKC series if Durant hadn't had an all-time terrible series we would have lost.

 

"You're garbage compared to them" - you

 

There's no way you win a series if Bron is at Orlando ECF level. That was my point, he hadn't been stopped in his prime.

 

http://sportstwo.com/threads/158063...and-the-Cavs?p=2322449&viewfull=1#post2322449

 

http://sportstwo.com/threads/158514...es-with-Cavs?p=2327817&viewfull=1#post2327817

 

I won't.

 

First of all, when was the first time we lost a championship with Kobe at the helm, and with our current lineup?? 2008, my friend.

And, was it Durant's "all-time terrible series" (so confused by what you mean by this, it was his first playoff series) or was it the All-World defense played by Artest?

 

Losing to Detroit with Shaq isn't any better. Losing a 3-1 lead in the playoffs is pretty bad. Having one of the worst elimination games in the history of the league is awful as well (08). People need to realize that he's not close to perfect, and are not in a position to criticize too much.

It was abhorring as a professional. Why are Kobe fans preaching to King? I think jealousy is a big part of it.

The 35% shooting for someone who was #2 in MVP voting. Yeah it was a horrific series, even Dirk doesn't choke like that.

He can bounce back but it took a huge Kevin chokejob for us to win. Kobe played badly.