Oregon falls furthest in CEO survey of best states for business

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    Oregon's foolish liberal voting base will drive the state into bankruptcy if it continues much longer.
     
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    I do not know the raw numbers. However, from what I read (Oregonian, Business Journal) and the people I get to talk to (CEO's of 3 large corps, doctors, people at Nike and a few other places) seems to give me a fair read on the situation. Based on all that I think say at the present time more businesses are leaving the state or closing than ever before and fewer business are entering the state than ever before. I would say our unemployment rate also tends to bear that out. Let's face it, we're a state in deep financial trouble, high taxes and both are going to get appreciably worse before they get better. While that may not preclude any new business, it certainly slows it down.
     
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    The new center in Hillsboro is news to me. I spoke with a senior person there when I was making some changes to my retirement account and she told me the initial move to Vancouver was mostly due to taxes. The building in Portland was to be sold. I wonder if the story in the paper was completely correct- or if I was getting the straight scoop.
     
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    Um, we're pretty much already there.
     
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    Well... that newspaper story was pretty detailed. And Farmer's does now have an installation on Bennett Road in Hillsboro as claimed. And I can't find any evidence of a Farmer's site in Vancouver.
    So, my tentative conclusion is that everything you were told was false. They didn't move due to taxes, they didn't leave Oregon, they added, rather than decreased, employment in Oregon. Basically it's the exact opposite of the story you gave me.

    So, given that, how much weight should I put on your other anecdotal stories that "people in the know" told you about companies moving, and why they move?

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.................... I wonder. I also wonder now that taxes have gone up and are being promised to go up again if they will keep most of their people in Vancouver (based on the story you posted I know over 50% will stay there) and perhaps lease some of the space.

    I did a search about businesses leaving Oregon and the stories were all political. The lefty ones state more business is coming than leaving and the righty ones state the opposite. They have their stats...

    So who knows.
     
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    Not sure what you are talking about here. 50% will stay in Vancouver? They aren't there now. Farmers moved from Tigard to Hillsboro. There was no Vancouver involved.

    Glad to see you admit that.

    I'd say based on the evidence it doesn't. But here's a challenge for you. For every published report you can find of a company leaving Oregon due to taxes, I'll find a published report of a company moving to Oregon. We'll see who lasts longer.

    Of course the state is in some financial trouble, but so are lots of other states. In fact, pretty much the whole world is in financial trouble. The high unemployment rate here isn't caused by companies moving out of state - it is caused by companies downsizing or going out of business.

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    Well, I suppose the true stats are not available (and would probably be suppressed), but we can agree the climate for business in Oregon right now and in the immediate future is not too rosey. There's a reason why Oregon slipped so far in this poll and I am sure it will play out to some degree. To me, the sad part is that I doubt the issues hurting the state will never be resolved. I believe that any state that is either elitist liberal or dirt dry conservative for as long as we have creates a set of problems that becomes more or less permanent. As a result, our business growth will remain fairly stagnant. Some start-ups, some bankruptcies, some leave.
     
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