Re: What happens with Gomes? Might need Beasley because the bench scoring is all on Bayless right now.
Re: What happens with Gomes? I think Gomes is a top rate bench player and I don't have much interest in high draft picks who fail big; they never seem to pan out no matter how many chances you give them, e.g. Kwame Brown, Darko milicic.
Re: What happens with Gomes? Other than 3pt shooting, what are you seeing about Gomes that suggests he's even close to carrying Beasley's jock on the court? I mean, is this the difference b/w a "top rate" bench player and a "fail big" player? PER of 12.1 means "below average bench player", and a DRtg of 113 suggests he's not Bruce Bowen saving his energy for the D end. Versus a PER of 17.1 and a DRtg of 103 for a starting SF/swing PF. Among many, many other things
Re: What happens with Gomes? I agree 100% - This is a no-brainer. Beasley would be a big-time backup for LMA, and Sarge would be a lot happier if he has someone to yell at (now that Travis Outlaw is no longer around). Win-win.
Re: What happens with Gomes? I have no freaking clue how Gomes is when it comes to defense, but playing for the Minnisota pups I would not read too much into his DRTG. This entire team sucked on defense, and there is no way to tell if it was because of him or despite his best efforts... His previous stint was in Boston when they had very bad years as well defensively - so again, I can't really tell if it's him or the situation he found himself in.
Re: What happens with Gomes? The most important part: on the court, where he is a good player with tremendous upside. Beasley's had back-to-back seasons of above-average PER in spite of not playing nearly as well as he's capable of. Ed O.
Re: What happens with Gomes? Gomes has had a PER of 12 the past two seasons. I think that at this moment, there is no need for him on the team.
Re: What happens with Gomes? Decent point, and I'd agree with you if it was in the middle of the range of a team full of high Drtgs. But if Jefferson and Love can manage 107's and 109's, what's Gomes doing at 113? Team Drtg was 111. Only Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington had worse ones, though there were a lot of bad ones.
Re: What happens with Gomes? It's not very complicated. Babbitt is only five months younger than Beasley, who has a couple of NBA seasons under his belt. If you don't see a 21 year-old rookie as having a lower ceiling than he would if he were 19... I don't know what to tell you. Further, Babbitt cost us a rotation player, while the Beasley trade would cost us nothing (since I doubt Gomes plays for Portland). Finally, I like the Babbitt trade overall, but I see his relatively advanced age as a black mark against his upside the same way I see a player's height or wingspan deficiencies as a negative. Obviously some older prospects pan out, just like some shorter ones do, but it's less likely. Ed O.
Re: What happens with Gomes? There was no reason to trade Martell if we planned on keeping Gomes. The Blazers obviously thought that Babbitt was a better SF option off of the bench than Webs. Gomes is an afterthought. I'm guessing the Blazers liked his contract for either cost savings or as a part of a trade.
Re: What happens with Gomes? Our worst rotation player, who shot terribly in the playoffs against a team that begs you to shoot open shots.
Re: What happens with Gomes? Which 21 year old and 19 year old are we talking about? Every single instance would be different. I know for sure the 18 year old working at UPS has a much lower ceiling than a 23 year old 5th year Sr. from Xavier. If you can't see that every single player is different and you should never make a choice based on averages, I don't know what to tell you. Especially if one of those 21 year olds is an alcoholic with legal issues. I really dont have a major issue with what you've said. I just found it a little "lulz"
Re: What happens with Gomes? I wouldn't say he's an "afterthought", I think that the partial guarantee was a target so that we had a week to do the stuff that WAS and OKC have been doing: giving teams a better shot at LBJ/Wade in exchange for today's talent. I think that they could've traded with a lot of teams to get picks b/w 11 and 18 if they wanted Babbitt, but there are only a few non-guaranteed contracts (DAL still has a big one in Dampier) and Gomes is one of them. MIN happened to have a mid-round pick where they could get one of our draft targets and a non-guaranteed contract to go with their need for a SF.
Re: What happens with Gomes? You might be right, but I'm not sure that I follow your logic at the beginning of your post. EVEN IF you think Gomes and Webster are similar/the same, doesn't it make sense that we'd prefer to keep the same player and add a rookie prospect, too? Ed O.
Re: What happens with Gomes? I see 108 and 109 here - http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2010.html - but, again, he is a backup player, you would expect the starter to be better than the backups... Maybe he just did not play enough with their best defenders? Look, I do not think that he is very likely to take minutes from Nic Batum based on his defensive prowess, but given the shitty teams he played on - I would not go out of my way to label him as a defensive bust - without actually seeing him. All I am saying is that his DRTG is not a reliable number in this case, imho. 82Games.com thinks that per possession they actually gave up less points when he was on the court than when he was off... http://www.82games.com/0910/09MIN10.HTM#onoff They gave up 112.9 points per 100 possessions without him, but only 112 with him...
Re: What happens with Gomes? You can use the same thing about height: a 6' scholarship player from Oregon State is probably a better player than a 6'5" rec league guy. Does that mean height is irrelevant? Ed O.
Re: What happens with Gomes? You're right that he's not conclusively a defensive bust, and I wouldn't characterize him as such. But I'm not sure that he can conclusively be called a "top notch backup" as was asserted above, especially while, in the same sentence, labeling Beasley a "big fail". That's all I was trying to say.
Re: What happens with Gomes? The point was that the team decided that Webster was unnecessary. The same applies to Gomes, IMO. This frees up more time for Batum, and Babbitt is going to get some minutes, which I think he should receive given what he supposedly brings to the table. Plus, he's a very, very good rebounder. EDIT - and Brian, I meant an afterthought in terms of on-court value to the Blazers. I don't see the point in dissecting Gomes' game, since I don't think he'll ever be on the court for the Blazers.
Re: What happens with Gomes? I don't think that you can say they decided Webster was unnecessary. They were willing to move him for superior value, which turned out to be Babbitt and Gomes. I will trade you my $10 bill for your $20, but not because I have determined the $10 is worthless. Ed O.
