Warriors draft Ekpe Udoh with 6th pick

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  1. Doctor Kajita

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    Aw, hell, today's a slow day at work, so here we go.

    I had Monroe as BAP based on what other people were saying and what limited YouTube videos I saw. I'm no expert when it comes to the draft. So, when they picked Udoh I was surprised but I wasn't severely disappointed like 90% of the people out there.

    It's hard to blame Riley for making those deals. He inherited this problem roster. I think he's taking a methodological approach. While we may not know what the ultimate goal for Riley is given the impending sale, he was given the task of fixing past Warrior mistakes. Mistakes like Maggette shouldn't and didn't warrant a talent exchange. It was a move for flexibility going forward. So, while everyone would prefer instant results, sometimes improvement takes several steps, especially when the Warrior roster is utterly flawed. As fans, it's natural to overvalue a player on the team they root for. I think people on this board are smart enough to know that the Warriors don't really have the most valuable assets compared to the rest of the league. I won't go and list each player, but in summary, we have a bunch of unproven, broken, flawed, and expensive players (Monta and Biedrins). That's a hard slate to work off of if you're Larry Riley.

    Is Monroe really a center though? Is he the guy you match-up against Bynum, Cousins, etc.? Also, they haven't traded AB, so how come you're assuming they're doing it as a salary dump? Riley's on record saying he's looking to get talent back for any deal they do going forward. Also, Riley's also on record saying he's not looking to add player to fit Nelson's system. He's looking beyond that. So, I commend him for not doing that by picking Monroe.

    "Coin flip" is a figure of speech. It meant any player after 5 is one and the same as far as impact goes.

    I believe I answered this in the first part of my post.

    But the Warriors already have enough offensive players.

    No, because Cousins was part of the illustrious 5-player draft. If he fell to 6, you obviously take him.

    Larry Riley has been at this job for less than a year. Expecting immediate results is unrealistic, especially with a broken roster, as stated above.

    I don't get the upside argument. Basing upside on age is ridiculous. And don't the Warriors have a plethora of players with untapped "upside." I'm sick of upside. It's overrated. You're pinning the limited PT and/or inability for Biedrins and Randolph to develop on Riley now? To boot, you're calling him names. That doesn't help your argument.

    Again, who's to say Monroe can play center in the league? Who's to say it makes AB more expendable than AR? I don't think it changes anything.

    We'll just have to wait and see. Again, we/you are basing our opinions on these players on information that's available to us. While the consensus says Monroe was the BAP, there are a few saying he wasn't. That is a coin flip, literally.

    And BTW, the great Georgetown got eliminated by Ohio State in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Baylor made it to the Elite 8.
     
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  2. Doctor Kajita

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    Hey, thanks for the link to the Duke-Baylor game. I'm going to watch it!
     
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    That made me want to draft #4 Acy instead LOL
     
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    Ha ha that's what I said a few posts above. That dude looked pretty good, eh?

    Anyway,
    I still think Monroe and Aminu were ahead of Udoh on most team's boards, thus GS did not take BAP. So, unless they really needed someone like Udoh over what the other two guys have, why not just play it safe with the consensus BAP? Wouldn't Monroe at least have been a better trade chip if anything? I mean, it's not like we desperately needed Udoh and thus reached for him. Honestly, I don't see him beating out Tolliver any time soon. Do you guys?

    It's a small point about the BAP, because it was only a few draft spots. It's not like Udoh should have gone #20 and GS reached 15 spots or something. But they did reach a bit, form a pure value aspect, and I just think a savvy GM would have found a way to draft Monroe for somebody else, and move down a few spots, and still get Udoh. Or moved down even further and gotten 2 additional picks or something. It wouldn't be much, but in a time of COMPLETE overhaul here, and cap space mania, unless you're sure you want to build around a guy like Udoh, why not just take the most valuable asset at your draft spot?

    Again, maybe Riley tried everything in the book to make something happen, and just couldn't. But he should have been able to, and bottom line is he didn't. Now that Udoh is here though, I mean there are some things about his game to be excited about. We'll see how he takes it to the next level. No sense to be stuck in the past about what could have been with this draft. I mean, crap, we were supposed to have the 4th pick anyway. I guess things could be worse.
     
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    Acy was a bench player and they said 75% of his shots are dunks.
     
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    Thanks for the notes "i hate the warriors", it's a bit encouraging. I certainly think he has some skills that could be useful to the Warriors. But, my complaints aren't really so with Udoh himself, I don't think he's a bad player, but with where we drafted him, and in passing up Greg Monroe. If I were picking #10 or so I'd probably be thrilled with this pick, but at #6 with Monroe sitting there I think it's terrible, simple as that.
     
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    Thanks, man. I would have hated to write all that and get a one line reply.

    I think most of us were surprised and thought Ekpe Udoh was a smokescreen by Nelson. It wasn't. It was Riley running the show. I still think Nelson would have picked Monroe though. Just a hunch.

    I think he could have done better. While I'm not advocating a direct talent exchange, we need to get some of Maggette's production back. Whether that can be accomplished through D-League players and current talent is doubtful. For example, the weaker teams in the WC have improved such as Sacramento and LA Clippers by getting big men. My expectations were that we compete with those teams and I expect to see CJ Watson back since Riley liked him. I don't expect to compete against the elite teams like the Lakers, PHX, Utah or Portland right away. Riley's been GM since May 11, 2009, so it's over a year. How about if we compare what he's done versus Sam Presti who's one of the younger and more successful GMs? Presti gets players or picks back and does things with them. Hope you see what I mean by doing more in getting talent back.

    Riley
    SEASON 2010-11
    Draft 2010
    Selected forward Ekpe Udoh (6th overall pick)..
    SEASON 2009-10
    June 22 2010
    Traded forward Corey Maggette and the 44th overall pick in the 2010 draft to the Milwaukee Bucks for guard Charlie Bell and center Dan Gadzuric.
    June 21 2010
    Traded the 34th overall pick in the 2010 draft to the Portland Trail Blazers for the 44th overall pick in the 2010 draft and cash.
    March 22 2010
    Signed guard Reggie Williams for the remainder of the season and waived guard Raja Bell.
    March 12 2010
    Signed guard Reggie Williams to a second 10-day contract.
    March 2 2010
    Signed guard Reggie Williams to a 10-day contract.
    February 6 2010
    Signed forward Anthony Tolliver for the remainder of the season and waived guard Speedy Claxton.
    January 31 2010
    Signed guard Coby Karl.
    January 25 2010
    Signed forward Anthony Tolliver to a second 10-day contract.
    January 20 2010
    Signed guard Cartier Martin to a second 10-day contract.
    January 17 2010
    Signed forward Anthony Tolliver to a 10-day contract.
    January 10 2010
    Signed guard Cartier Martin to a 10-day contract.
    January 4 2010
    Waived forward Mikki Moore.
    November 20 2009
    Signed center Chris Hunter.
    November 16 2009
    Traded guard Acie Law and forward Stephen Jackson to the Charlotte Bobcats for guard Raja Bell and forward Vladimir Radmanovic.
    October 21 2009
    Waived forward Shaun Pruitt.
    October 14 2009
    Exercised the contract options on forwards Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph through 2010-11.
    October 3 2009
    Waived forward Diamon Simpson.
    September 30 2009
    Signed forwards Shaun Pruitt and Diamon Simpson.
    September 9 2009
    Re-signed guard CJ Watson.
    September 2 2009
    Signed forward Mikki Moore.
    August 18 2009
    Named Calbert Cheaney special assistant.
    July 30 2009
    Traded guard Marco Belinelli to the Toronto Raptors for forward Devean George and cash.
    July 27 2009
    Waived forward Jermareo Davidson.
    July 8 2009
    Signed guard Stephen Curry.
    Draft 2009
    Selected guard Stephen Curry (7th overall pick).
    June 25 2009
    Traded guard Jamal Crawford to the Atlanta Hawks for guards Acie Law and Speedy Claxton.
    May 11 2009
    Named general manager.

    Read more: http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/larry_riley.htm#ixzz0rur6BcmD


    Presti (3rd year)
    SEASON 2010-11
    Draft 2010
    Selected guard Eric Bledsoe (18th overall pick), forwards Craig Brackins (21st overall pick) and Quincy Pondexter (26th overall pick) and center Magnum Rolle (51st overall pick).
    Traded a future second-round pick to the Miami Heat for the draft rights to forward Latavious Williams. Traded the draft rights to guard Erick Bledsoe to the Los Angeles Clippers for a protected future first-round pick. Traded the draft rights to center Magnum Rolle to the Indiana Pacers for the draft rights to forward Ryan Reid and cash. Traded cash to the Atlanta Hawks for the draft rights to center Tibor Pleiss. Traded the draft rights to forwards Craig Brackins and Quincy Pondexter to the New Orleans Hornets for guard Morris Peterson and the draft rights to center Cole Aldrich.

    SEASON 2009-10
    June 23 2010
    Traded the 32nd overall pick to the Miami Heat for guard Daequan Cook and the 18th overall pick in the 2010 draft.
    May 3 2010
    Oklahoma City exercised the contract option on head coach Scott Brooks through 2011-12.
    March 31 2010
    Signed guard Mustafa Shakur for the remainder of the season.
    March 16 2010
    Signed guard Mustafa Shakur to a 10-day contract.
    March 5 2010
    Signed guard Antonio Anderson to a second 10-day contract.
    February 22 2010
    Signed guard Antonio Anderson to a 10-day contract and waived forward Matt Harpring.
    December 22 2009
    Traded the draft rights to center Peter Fehse to the Utah Jazz for guard Eric Maynor and forward Matt Harpring. Waived guards Shaun Livingston and Mike Wilks.
    November 26 2009
    Signed guard Mike Wilks.
    November 25 2009
    Waived forward Ryan Bowen.
    October 28 2009
    Signed guard Thabo Sefolosha to a contract extension.
    October 23 2009
    Waived forward Mike Harris and exercised the contract options on guard Russell Westbrook and forwards Jeff Green, Kevin Durant and DJ White through 2010-11.
    October 22 2009
    Waived forward Michael Ruffin.
    October 21 2009
    Waived guard Tre Kelley.
    September 30 2009
    Signed guard Tre Kelley, forwards Mike Harris and Michael Ruffin and re-signed forward Ryan Bowen.
    August 14 2009
    Named Maurice Cheeks and Rex Kalamian assistant coaches.
    August 1 2009
    Signed guard Kevin Ollie.
    July 27 2009
    Traded guards Chucky Atkins and Damien Wilkins to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Etan Thomas, a 2010 second-round pick and a 2010 conditional second-round pick.
    July 17 2009
    Waived guard Earl Watson.
    July 11 2009
    Signed guard James Harden, forward Serge Ibaka and center BJ Mullens.
    Draft 2009
    Selected guards James Harden (3rd overall pick) and Rodrigue Beaubois (25th overall pick).
    Traded the draft rights to guard Rodrigue Beaubois and a future second-round pick to the Dallas Mavericks for the draft rights to center BJ Mullens; rraded cash to the Charlotte Bobcats for the draft rights to guard Robert Vaden.

    SEASON 2008-09
    March 31 2009
    Signed guard Shaun Livingston.
    March 1 2009
    Waived forward Joe Smith.
    February 20 2009
    Waived center Saer Sene.
    February 19 2009
    Traded forward Chris Wilcox to the New York Knicks for forward Malik Rose and cash; traded a conditional 2009 first-round pick to the Chicago Bulls for guard Thabo Sefolosha.
    February 17 2009
    Traded forwards Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox and the draft rights to forward DeVon Hardin to the New Orleans Hornets for center Tyson Chandler. The trade was voided the following day.
    January 7 2009
    Traded center Johan Petro and a second-round pick to the Denver Nuggets for guard Chucky Atkins.

    Read more: http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/sam_presti.htm#ixzz0rurUqh7t


    See below.

    I think he has to replace Maggette who was a defacto scoring leader and guy who could get to the line. I think he also wants more offensive production out of the 5 spot in addition to defense.

    Well, what caused the broken roster? He should take care of that immediately. Oh yeah, it was Don Nelson or the players he couldn't get along with.

    And what has happened to AB? He should have came back from injury strong. Has he fallen out favor already? AB is 24 now, so he should be knocking socks off next season. Why would you want to trade him if we don't have a better starting center, but he's on the trading block. I rather hear Riley say that we keep him and watch him how he does against Cousins and Monroe. If he does well, then Monroe or Cousins become moot. If not, then we need another center. Oi vei.

    Upside is very important according to the experts. They use that to take players over those who have done well in college. I've seen good college players, and played with some of them in my younger days, but the elite ones are just on another level and then some. They know they're on a different level, so it's not competitive. What's hard to gauge is a high school or rawer talent versus an college talent like Udoh. The experts go with upside. Let's see how Udoh will do against Wright and AR though. He's not going to take their jobs or will he? At the 5 spot, I like to see how he does against Tolliver or Hunter (if he sticks).

    Umm what happens in college does not necessary translate to the NBA which was the whole upside argument. It will be interesting to see how Monroe does versus Cousins and how Udoh ranks against guys like Favors and Aminu. We can see how each of them does next season or if someone else shines.
     
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    I'm getting the Duke - Butler game. Did they change it?
     
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    At the top of the page you can change the round/game on a dropdown menu. Its in the elite 8.

    EDITED: was posting from my phone, sorry for the confusing spelling mistakes.
     
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    This pick fits in line with the Warriors drafting strategy. They're going with the BAP who is also a character/intangibles guy. Everyone loves Turiaf, right? The dude has decent hands, never takes plays off, and cheers on his teammates. He makes everyone better, despite not being the most skilled or athletic player.

    Then we had guys like Stephen Curry, who don't really stand out athletically. We had some naysayers about him all season, especially because we already had the same player who played the position of point guard in Monta Ellis. Curry's got leadership and he makes everyone better, which is something Ellis is not. Ellis is awesome scorer, though.

    So with this Udoh guy, he might have the same high skill level and intangibles that we don't see so easily. I'd give him a chance, especially if he's unselfish, has good hands, solid footwork, and he can use either hand in the post. So many big men cannot do this. I will take a solid big man prospect that doesn't look like much over some high potential player which character issues and lack of work ethic. Example: David West over Eddie Curry. 6'9, 240 pound tweener who quietly became an all-star over an athletic 300 pounder that scores but doesn't pass, play defense or rebound.
     
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    The Yahoo/Rivals.com review sounded pretty good on Udoh comparing him to Jason Thompson and Monroe to Lamar Odom. draftexpress thought Monroe was like Brad Miller. Anyway, the main point was rivals.com thought Monroe would end up as a PF in the NBA instead of a C. That's another thing to keep and eye on -- to see whether Greg Monroe is more like Lamar Odom or Brad Miller. Of course, if Udoh is awesome, then its a moot point. See below.

    Here's a question I have not seen yet. If Riley and Nelson both wanted Udoh, then they should have used Monroe as smoke to see if Detroit would bite. Many people were thinking Udoh was smoke in order to hinder Detroit or any team below the Warriors who wanted Cousins or Monroe from trying to move up.

    Also, that Duke-Baylor game, it appeared that Duke's size hindered Baylor and Udoh, but he played okay on D and rebounding (mostly offensive). 5 blocked shots! He was active on the defensive end.

    Ekpe Udoh:
    http://nbadraft.rivals.com/bviewplayer.asp?Player=64827&PT=7&PR=2#scouting

    Greg Monroe:
    http://nbadraft.rivals.com/bviewplayer.asp?Player=410103&PT=7&PR=2#scouting
     
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    Udoh seems like Ike Diogu in that, if these guys were only a couple inches taller they would have much better NBA potential. Udoh seemed to fit in with his height with the rest of the players on the court. I don't know if that is good for a big man.

    Good thing is that he does not need "his touches" to be productive. I liked his pass to Acy in the first or second highlite where the opponent doubled him and Udoh was quick in finding Acy open under the hoop for the easy dunk.

    Anyway all that a young big has to do is defend and rebound, according to Nate Thurmond. I am hoping his height is not an obstacle for him to shine in these areas which were his strengths in the NCAA.
     
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    Well, there's always the Charles Barkley argument, but that is used way too loosely IMO, he was the exception, not the rule, but he was like 6'6" and dominated other PFs just because he put the Power in Power Forward. So height isn't everything I guess, plus Udoh is almost 6'10" in shoes, so it's different. But Barkley had a crazy physical presence, and very few undersized players fare well at the big positions in the NBA. And if they do, it's because they make up for being short by being stalky (Glen Davis, Elton Brand come to mind). Udoh isn't weak, but he's by no means strong, so he he falls closer to the 6'9" then the 6'10," and tries to play center, that will be interesting.

    Also, Udoh has a crazy wingspan, like 7'4" or something, which is why he's such a dominant shot blocker. I think the real question is did the Warriors draft him as an asset, or do they actually want to try building around him.

    If so, the biggest question becomes: can he play Center? If so, then he will be undersized, no doubt, no matter how long his arms are. But if he is going to play PF, then what happens to the Randolph/Wright experiment?
     
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    Here's a measurements comparison of Udoh to other players on the team:

    Ekpe Udoh - 2010 6' 8.75" w/o shoes, 6' 9.75" w/ shoes, 237 lbs, 7' 4.5" wingspan, 8' 10.5" reach, 8.0% body fat, 31.0" no step vert, 11' 5.5" no step vert reach, 33.5" max vert, 11' 8" max vert reach, 10 bench press reps, 11.15 lane agility, 3.29 3/4 court sprint

    Anthony Randolph - 2008 6' 9" w/o shoes, 6' 10.25" w/ shoes, 197 lbs., 7' 3" wingspan, 9' 1" standing reach, 4.7% body fat, 29.0" no step vert, 11' 6" no step vert, 35.0 max vert, 12' 0" max vert reach, 7 bench reps, 11.86 lane agility, 3.26 3/4 court sprint

    Brandan Wright - 2007 6' 8.75" w/o shoes, 6' 10" w/ shoes, 200 lbs., 7' 3.75" wingspan, 9' 0.5" standing reach, 5.8% body fat, 30.5 no step vert, 11' 7" no step vert, 35.5 max vert, 12' 0" max vert reach, 2 bench reps, 11.76 lane agility, 3.31 3/4 court sprint

    Ronny Turiaf - 2005 6' 8" w/o shoes, 6' 9.25" w/ shoes, 238 lbs, 7' 1.5" wingspan, 8' 10.5" standing reach, N/A body fat, 30.5 no step vert, 11' 5" no step vert reach, 33.0 max vert, 11' 7.5" max vert reach, 15 bench reps, 11.50 lane agility, 3.23 3/4 court sprint

    So Udoh measured out the same size (w/o shoes) as Wright and taller than Turiaf. He has the longest wingspan of the 3. He came out almost the exact same weight as Turiaf (both came out as seniors). Udoh has the best no step vert of the three and was .5 inches higher than Turiaf in both no step vert and max vert. Udoh blew the rest of them away in lane agility and this supports the claims that hes capable of guarding 3s on mismatches.

    Overall he bears a striking resemblance to Turiaf in weight coming out of college and his jumping/max reach numbers. Hes .75 inches taller w/o shoes. They have the same standing reach. Turiaf benched more but Udoh seems quicker and, again, has a slight advantage in hops. From watching the video Udoh doesn't seem as explosive as the other three but I find it common that guys look repressed both athletically and skillwise in college and are able to show more in the league- especially in Nellie's system where they're allowed a lot of freedom.

    If Udoh's athleticism is comprable to these three guys like the numbers say they are then I'm all for the decision to take him over Monroe. Hes pretty much 6'10 (note how hes the only one who gained 1 inch as opposed to 1.25 inches in shoes) 240 lbs- damn near prototypical size for a PF. If he does have the kind of athleticism and explosion as Turiaf, Wright, Randolph at that size then you gotta think he'll be a great pick alongside Curry. This guy isn't just a project either- he loves to play defense and seems to be very good at it. Hes a good passer. High IQ overall. His one on one game is still raw but it'll be interesting to see him run a pick and roll.

    Can't wait to see summer league and see how he looks next to Wright athletically. I reckon he'll get even fewer touches than he did at Baylor though lol. Godamn summer league guards NEVER pass.

    BTW: Ike was 6'6.5 barefoot, 6'8 with shoes.
     
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    I don't think they're building around Udoh at all. I think they picked him because they want a guy with NBA size/athleticism, who complements Curry, plays smart, can contribute right away, etc. By taking him you add to your assets because it allows you to trade Randolph/Wright but I would imagine they took him because they genuinely thought he was the BPA and/or a great fit next to Curry. Udoh isn't a guy you build around but with the defense, passing, commitment to the team, and potentially good fit with Curry he seems like a great secondary piece.
     
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    Interesting pick up Run BJM.

    For some reason I thought I read he was about 6-8 but it must have been the w/o shoes measurement. In the youtube videos he does not stand out as much of a presence either.

    I suppose Udoh's range of potential is Marcus Camby (poor man's?) on the high side and repeat of Turiaf on the low side.

    I don't think the Warriors are expecting to build around Udoh. He would be more of an asset/role-player unless if he really blossoms and shocks the world.
     
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    [video=youtube;A_GmYN1cDlI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GmYN1cDlI[/video]

    Here is a clip of the last four minutes of Nebraska vs. Baylor. There were some screen, perhaps pick 'n roll sets with Udoh.

    Udoh does a good job in passing out of the post for a wide open 3. He makes 2 clutch free throws. He makes a clutch fg in the post with his back to the basket.

    Udoh does a poor job rebounding once on a free throw (just like the Warriors last year) (edit: I think I mixed up a youtube video of the Baylor vs. Kansas game and this one. I think Udoh's man got an offensive rebound off a free throw in that game) and on another conceded offensive rebound that was within his reach.

    I think Udoh might be an underrated passer a la Curry from last year's draft.
     
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    I don't mean build around him like he's a franchise guy, I mean re-build with him as a main piece. GS is trying to move everyone except Curry, and my question (which we'll have to wait and see the answer to) is whether Udoh is a part of that plan, or simply another asset added to the roster.

    Because I disagree about your saying he was the BAP. As I stated earlier, he was definitely not the BAP on most other team's draft boards.

    This is why I'm curious. I'm actually now pretty excited by Udoh, mostly because he plays the way I like (defense, hustle and teamwork).

    So, if they drafted him because they think he fits the team better than Monroe as a piece to build around, then I can give them that.

    However, if they drafted him simply because they thought he was the most valuable asset at that spot, well then that's rubbish. Because, like I stated earlier, they could have moved down a few spots and still gotten Udoh, or, if they just wanted the most value for their pick, they could have drafted Monroe for some other team, or even moved down far enough to get 2 mid picks, IMO.

    Honestly, I hope they chose Udoh even though it wasn't the most savvy business move because they truly want to build around him (again, rebuild with him as a main piece). I really hope he pans out and adds a new dimension to the team.
     
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    Thanks for the clip, Clif10. Each day that passes, I'm getting more excited about Udoh. I think I was wrong to sell him so short. I think it was more just emotion at thinking that we could have made a better business move. But watching additional footage, and reading more, and seeing RunBJM's physical comparisons above... I like him more and more.

    In your clip above, I know you mentioned he didn't box out well on a free throw, but in general, he boxed out well. On box-out possessions, what he does every time is seek out someone to put his body on, and then turn towards the basket and get ready to rebound. That's the way right there, something that GS bigs don't always do. That's how you don't get trapped under the rim. You create your own "pocket" of space for the ball to fall into, by moving out from the rim and seeking out your man to box out. I like that.

    Also, I like his body language. He's very relaxed for a big man. He doesn't just move around for no reason. He looks very comfortable in his role, which is a sign of a heady player. When he does move, he's moving to get open or set a pick. If you notice, he doesn't battle pointlessly with the defender. He conserves his energy.
     
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    [video=youtube;biqxQ4aDBTM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biqxQ4aDBTM[/video]

    Here is a video of the Baylor-Kansas game. I think Udoh had foul trouble so he is not in for some of the highlites. This video has the missed rebound off the free throw, which may not had totally been Udoh's fault.

    Some things he demonstrates is NCAA 3 point range, he has a nice assist coming off a drive into the painted area, he has a nice block or two. He also shows some weaknesses of being way smaller than a real big like Aldrich on a play and was not a presence when another smaller player attacked the rim right in front of him. Perhaps he was not aggressive on that play against the smaller player because of foul trouble, but I don't know.

    Another interesting thing about Udoh is that he has never been a scorer. In high school he only averaged 11 points. At least that is according to this site http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Ekpe-Udoh-27658 But I don't know if the accuracy of these stats.
     

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