Hollinger on CP3 and Portland

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  1. Fez Hammersticks

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    Via ESPN radio, if the Blazers can land CP3 they should trade Roy as he's at his best with the ball in his hands, and is an ISO player.

    I agree with him to a point but isn't the point of this whole scenario to pair CP3 with Roy and see if they can co-exist? Roy is good enough to adapt but would he be nearly as good playing off the ball?
     
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    Roy would become a much more dangerous player learning how to play off the ball.

    Lets hope that he realizes that.
     
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    I think Roy would realize that he's far more effective if he plays off of a player like Chris Paul, and it would prolong his career a bit.

    Trading Roy because they got Paul would be a lateral move. Not that they're on par with each other, but it's doubtful, due to Brandons poison pill contract, that they'd get someone on par with what Brandon provides.
     
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    On a McMillan team, Roy is twice the star he'd be elsewhere. Chris Paul has more transferable skills.

    We come out way ahead if we trade Roy for Paul. Paul, like Nash, makes those around him better. In his present incarnation, Roy makes those around him worse.
     
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    I wouldn't have believed that 2 year ago, but now? ... I'm not as sure.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree with jlprk with Brandon. But I don't think most SG's make their teammates better. Usually it's PG's who do that.

    I don't know if I'd say he would be half the star he is if he was off of a Nate coached team though.

    I think Brandon will be made a lot better if they were able to trade for Paul, because Paul does make scrubs into good players..and in this case, I think he'd make Brandon into an even greater player.
     
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    If he did both, I agree. If he's almost exclusively playing off the ball because it makes no sense to play Paul off the ball...then I disagree that Roy would be more dangerous. I think he'd be less valuable. A large part of his value comes in being able to run the offense and create for others. That isn't an ability that "stacks"...only one player can really do that. Having two that can do it leaves some talent on the table.
     
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    Well, if we had CP3, we could potentially trade Brandon and Nate for a high-end SF (assuming we lose Batum) and become a running team.

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    I'm in love with the CP3 to Portland idea lot less ... hmmmm ... I think I need to sit down.
     
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    Kobe, Wade and even LeBron would be worse players if their teams didn't run much ISO through them. What's the difference when you have a premier player you get them the ball and let them go to work.
     
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    I'm in love with Roy a lot less if we get CP3. He (Roy) is the best thing we've got right now, but I don't really care for iso plays as the #1 strategy. Maybe Roy can adapt to playing with CP3, maybe not. If not, I'm fine shipping him (hopefully before his value is driven down). Roy will net a very good player in return.

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    I take it you didn't play much basketball growing up.
     
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    There's some truth to this.
     
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    Can we trade his salary?
     
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    These comments take me back to 1988 discussions about Drexler. Yes a PG in general makes other players better, so yes a healthy Chris Paul who if he actually wanted to stay in Portland (Unlike his current city) would be ideal, but finding someone like Roy is very rare. Its all a moot point though if you think NO would actually trade for BROY. How would that save them money? If you get Paul you play him with your best player and you go for championships. Don't over analyze it and insult Roy by doing so. It wuld be the best backcourt in basketball, even if Wade went to Chicago.
     
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    I don't think NO would be very likely to be interested in trading CP3 for Roy. I think Hollinger's suggestion was trading Roy separately to someone else (or in a 3-way).

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    You mean, trade his salary and keep him? Maybe under the next CBA.

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    Well, I would still be down for a trade. I would rather experiment with a Paul/Roy back court then put all of my hopes on Oden and his knees. Not to say he won't ever be healthy again, but I just feel like the risk of a Paul/Roy backcourt failing is less than seeing a healthy Oden for at the very least a full season.
     
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    Roy is a consummate basketball player. With Paul at point, Roy's game will only evolve and his status of an NBA All Star will only solidify.

    What the team will sorely need (with Paul and Roy) will be a defending SF (Batum) and a PF in the mold of an enforcer - one that can score: Boozer? Amare? But not LMA.

    If Oden actually plays injury-free, he may be the one who will not fit. Oden clogs the middle, even at the offensive end - which only created problems for Roy...and will be accentuated if Paul plays point.

    In truth, I could envision A starting lineup Paul, Roy, Batum, Boozer, and LMA as a high post center!

    This lineup would pose problems for other teams.

    package Oden and JPEC and pick up Boozer; then move Miller, Camby, Bayless and rights to Claver for CP3.
     
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    History has shown us that you can win titles with a 6-6 shooting guard as your best player. The same is not true for 6-0 point guards.
     
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